‘3 people can keep a secret if 2 are dead’
While thinking about the case, as I often do, I saw this grim proverb etched across the back of a hoodie. It’s owner, a motorcycle rider, was weaving in and out of traffic on the 15 freeway in Corona. At first glance I was silently amused but it had a sobering effect as well. It made me think about secrets. What one must go through to hide terrible secrets, secrets such as theft and murder. The many, many lies one must tell. For years.
Here is a digital recap of the events that occurred on February 4 2010.
Voicemail retrieval 8:56 AM 1 min
Daytona Beach, FL 9:01 AM Vendor A 24 min
1-800 # 9:24 AM Vendor B 7 min
Daytona Beach, FL 9:31 AM Vendor A 4 min
Incoming 9:36 AM EIP 22 min <—— Customer
Incoming 9:40 AM Chase 3 min
1-800 # 10:17 AM Vendor B 1 min
Incoming 10:19 AM Chase 4 min
Daytona Beach, FL 10:34 AM Vendor A 2 min
Incoming 10:39 AM PM Father 4 min
Incoming 10:43 AM EIP 2 min <—— Customer
Pomona, CA 10:46 AM Chase 4 min
Incoming 11:06 AM EIP 17 min <—— Customer
Incoming 11:18 AM EIP 15 min <—— Customer
Incoming 11:33 AM Chase 2 min
Kingsport, TN 11:38 AM 2 min
Kingsport, TN 11:39 AM 1 min
Vm Retrieval 11:41 AM 1 min
Incoming 11:43 AM Blocked NBR 6 min
Incoming 11:46 AM Vendor A 5 min
Capstr Vly, CA 11:51 AM Bank 2 min
Pomona, CA 11:53 AM Chase 2 min
Pomona, CA 11:56 AM Chase Text Outgoing
Between here and about 12:15 it is believed Joseph started to make the trek to meet Chase Merritt at the Chik-fil-a in Rancho Cucamonga.
Anoka, MN 11:57 AM 1 min
St Paul, MN 11:58 AM 2 min
Daytona Beach, FL 12:00 PM Vendor A 2 min
1-800 # 12:02 PM Vendor B 4 min
Incoming 12:04 PM Phone company 8 min
Vm Retrieval 12:11 PM 4 min
Capstr Vly, CA 12:15 PM Bank 7 min
Dublin, CA 12:22 PM 5 min
Pomona, CA 12:28 PM Chase 6 min
Hopewell, VA 12:52 PM Welder 8 min
Pomona, CA 12:52 PM Chase 1 min
Incoming 1:01 PM Chase 1 min
Radio silence, almost exactly 2 hours.
2:11 Return call 3 min to Summer for medicine inquiry
2:36 purchase at Ross store in Vista, Ca on Summer’s credit card
Pomona, CA 3:03 PM Chase 1 min
Pomona, CA 3:32 PM Chase 2 min
3:52 search on from home computer on Craigslist for children’s toys
Pomona, CA 4:18 PM Chase 3 min
4:25 Landline call to Joseph
Vm Retrieval 4:27 PM 4 min
Vm Retrieval 4:31 PM 2 min
At 5:05 Two texts are sent from Summer’s phone to Joseph’s. They would not be received until Joseph’s phone is reactivated or turned on at 5:47.
E-Notes 5:47 PM Text Incoming
Pomona, CA 5:47 PM Chase 3 min
Laguna Bch, CA 5:47 PM Summer Texts (2) Incoming
Pomona, CA 8:28 PM Chase 1 min
Free Parking
As a family with children of varying ages and a full life, my wife and I are always on the go. Work, school, shopping, karate, Girl Scouts, Color Guard, gymnastics, meetings, church, more meetings, more shopping or just running out for ice cream. That last bit is my own guilty pleasure. Of course, we are a two car family. Sometimes we even have to take two cars to the same events. Mrs. Cornelius and I share an equal balance of running to and fro. Regardless, I purposely would leave the spot in the driveway closest to the front door for her to park so that her and the kids could get in and out quicker. Unloading groceries would also be easier. It was just always that way.
I was listening to a true crime podcast recently, and as I tend to do, I related some of the details discussed to the McStay case. In this such case, the Walker Family murders from 1959, the subject came up about the specific vehicle parking of the victims. My thoughts began to drift to the Trooper, the vehicle in the surveillance video, the Dodge truck……and that afternoon.
Ross
We know that Joseph was out meeting Chase Merritt in Rancho Cucamonga at around 1pm that afternoon. We have no account for when Summer left the house for her shopping trip to the Ross store in Vista but there is the charge to her card at 2:36. The next activity assumedly by Summer herself is on the home computer for Craigslist children’s toys at 3:52. Next at 4:25, a phone call is placed from the home phone to Joseph’s phone. Inexplicably this call is missing from Joseph’s phone log. This call info comes from early media reports who got it directly from LE. However there is a voicemail retrieval at 4:27 from Joseph’s phone. It’s 4 minutes long. Would Summer leave a 4 minute voicemail and why would she be using a landline? Curiously, throughout the entire phone log there is not another call to Joseph’s phone from the house. Next a text is sent from Summer’s phone to Joseph’s at 5:05. Joseph didn’t respond to either the phone call or text.
The 4:25 call to Joseph could have been Summer calling Joseph to tell him she was going out to purchase or look at some toys, or even just to run an errand. We don’t know the duration of the call or if it’s even related to the voicemail.
Could Chase have gained control of Joseph as soon as 3 PM?
Looking at the parked Dodge truck it would appear that it is parked specifically for two vehicles to fit. Many have speculated that it wouldn’t be enough room for another vehicle to fit but I can attest that is. But more to the truck here in particular, I believe it was parked on the left not because it was Summer’s ‘spot’ but because there was another vehicle already parked in the driveway, and not the Trooper.
I imagine Summer pulling up to the house like she had a hundred times before and saw some vehicle parked in the driveway, on the right side. One she may have been familiar with. Maybe this seems way off. I can’t get over the feeling that there possibly was another vehicle there when Summer came home. The fact that what appears to have been Merritt’s truck exiting the driveway that evening is equally troubling.
Did Merritt (or whomever) pull into the driveway because the right side was open?
And where exactly was the Isuzu Trooper?
If Joseph made it home that afternoon, why not pull into the driveway if Summer actually did leave that side of the driveway open?
Could there have been a second perpetrator working in tandem with Merritt?
The Voicemail Thing
There was a voicemail retrieval at 12:11 that afternoon and it was 4 minutes as well. So, at 4:27 was someone (not Joseph?) listening and deleting that voicemail? There was another at 4:31 for 2 minutes. By assumption, Joseph and Chase were to have parted ways by 3 that afternoon. So where was Joseph at 4:27? Where was Chase? By Chase’s own recollection, he could not remember anything after 5PM.
Maybe this is when things really began to go awry.
You might think, these calls and voicemail seem trivial, why is any of this important? As someone suggested, perhaps the 4:25 is not listed on the phone log because the call was dropped or Joseph’s phone was dead. And maybe the 4 minute voicemail was from Summer. That’s totally possible. But to back up a little bit, Joseph’s phone receives a call from Chase at 4:18. It lasts 3 minutes. That puts the time at 4:21. The house call is made at 4:25 to Joseph. The voicemail is next checked at 4:27 for 4 minutes. Then again at 4:31 for 2 minutes (4:25-27). The 4 minute VM could be the same one from that day at 12:11, and the 2 minute VM is from Summer.
Why would Joseph need to listen to a 4 minute VM that he already listened to? Why would Summer leave a 2 minute long VM? Why wasn’t he calling her back and responding? Summer sent Joseph two texts at 5:05. Was she worried? Should she have been? Of course, the VM may have not been exactly 2 minutes but at least 1 minute. Still, the other VM was listened to first. Why would he listen to it before Summer’s? For this phone I wonder if voicemails stack up with the oldest being first, or the last message left being first? On my current phone it lists the last first in the que.
One other explanation. The 4 minute VM was left after someone called and the call dropped, like with Summer’s attempt. So the number for that caller, like Summer’s, would be absent from the phone record. But again, who would leave a 4 minute VM?
17037 Brookhurst st, Fountain Valley, Ca
Could the VM be connected to the mysterious Google search for an address of a dental office done at the McStay residence on February 8th? Would the time of this search coincide with Merritt’s radio silence that day? 2 weeks prior, Joseph had placed a 3 minute call to this office. Immediately after that call Joseph called Merritt twice.
With the family presumably buried, was there another loose end Chase Merritt needed to take care of on top of staging the Trooper and cancelling Quickbooks? What would be the importance of looking up this address? I’m curious to know if the number to the dental office is on Merritt’s phone records as well. Why was the address search done at all? Considering that the search was done within the home, the address was probably there as well. An address would typically be found on a letterhead or in one’s records. Or, on a bill.
Out On A Limb
We know a lot from what has come out in the media and from witness testimony. Despite that, there is a lot we don’t know. As of this writing there are motions to exclude evidence, before the trial is even underway. There are still many warrants that are sealed.
We really have no idea how things transpired on the afternoon of February 4th. But we have Chase Merritt’s recollection of things. Even that has been conflicting as he has given different reports. We have all these pings between Rancho Cucamonga and Fallbrook. We can assume Joseph did meet Chase for lunch at least round 1PM. The 2 hours of radio silence after that has me bothered because I can’t see them – or anyone – sitting in a Chick-fil-a restaurant that long. One hour tops. Maybe they went back to the warehouse. This is also something Chase had told to some people, but not detectives. It’s curious.
Maybe they went to Chase’s apartment. There was something that Chase had told detectives in one of his interviews that led me to believe he and Javis did not share an apartment but I could be wrong. Or he was caught in a lie within a lie. We haven’t seen all the warrants but I do wonder if all these areas were searched. I can’t imagine they wouldn’t have been.
So what became of Joseph after their lunch? Did he simply go home? Why did he only call Chase? From the beginning, what has always bothered me was that electrical cord around Joseph’s neck. It doesn’t sound like it was used as a means of strangulation, but of restraining. To exude dominion and control. Or to keep Joseph quiet if he was being held somewhere. It could have also been used to torture.
Joseph could have very well been overcome by Chase while meeting him after lunch. This theory is nothing new and has been floating around since Chase’s arrest, so I’m not proposing anything new there. In fact Joseph’s father Patrick has suggested this in his latest interview. I don’t agree a lot with what is said here but I do think there is a plausible scenario that Joseph did not make it home in the way we think he did.
LE contends all of the family members were murdered in the home because of items found in the graves. This could very well be. We know about the material wrapped around Joseph is suggested to have been the futon cover. If it is the cover, it may have been used to hold or cover other things or victims before being used on Joseph. I have expressed belief in the past that Joseph may have been kept alive longer than the others, perhaps much longer, because of the condition his remains were found. Because Joseph was buried with this material around him, it doesn’t necessarily mean that he left the house in the same manner. But why weren’t the other family members wrapped in a similar way?
There is no proof that Joseph made it to Fallbrook, only that his phone did. Merritt never called Joseph after their meeting. If Joseph was done with Merritt, or fired him, why was he still calling him?
It has been long theorized that it was Chase making the 8:27 call from Joseph’s phone to his phone. The suggestion is that Chase was trying to show some proof of life, or that Joseph was okay at this point on the night of the 4th, with his phone pinging in Fallbrook. If we entertain this possibility, is it not to far fetched to believe that Chase had Joseph’s phone all along, calling his own phone maybe even as early as 3 PM. Because of this, Chase could have listened to the last voicemails as well as read any texts. Chase may have decided then he needed to tie up some loose ends, and quick.
I know that the ping info on this makes this theory problematic. Because when Joseph’s phone is calling Merritt’s it pings in Fallbrook while Merritt’s pings in or near Rancho Cucamonga. But Merritt doesn’t need to be with his phone and answering it for it to ping.
There may be something more to that last left voicemail, and not the one from Summer. I do think it could play a very significant part in all of this, maybe something virtually everyone missed.
Chase Merritt is a very calculated individual.
DNA
Merritt’s DNA was not on the Trooper door handle. In the last installed segment of another documentary, Merritt’s lawyer Maline makes this claim. One theory that is being floated about is that Merritt’s DNA ended up in the Trooper through Touch DNA. This can happen through a simple handshake and skin cells are left behind. I have to ask though, was it not Merritt’s DNA there or no DNA? If Merritt’s DNA was in the other areas by way of transfer, shouldn’t it be on the door handle as well? Could it have been removed by wiping down the handle? Let’s consider this logically. Regardless that there was nothing on the door handle, Merritt’s DNA was elsewhere they shouldn’t have been for someone who claims he’s never once driven the vehicle.
However, if we consider the possibility that Merritt’s DNA ended up in these places as secondary transfer, it should be on the door handle and door. According to Maline it’s not. Also no one else’s DNA is on these other places aside from Joseph’s and Summer’s. Did Joseph and Summer drive it to the border? How is it Merritt’s DNA ends up on the gear shift if he never drove it? Shouldn’t there be someone else’s DNA there if Merritt didn’t drive it?
Merritt’s defense attorney’s are attempting to get the Quickbooks evidence thrown out. I’m confident they won’t succeed but you never know with this legal stuff. If they do succeed, the state going forward may have quite a challenge ahead.
Interesting post Corn. Hopefully most of these questions will be answered. Surely investigators must have found some proof of Joseph’s actual presence in and around Fallbrook beyond just cellphone pings?
An eye witness or a credit/debit card purchase?
If Merritt was wearing gloves while driving the trooper his dna may have been transferred to the wheel and gearshift from his clothes or from him rubbing sweat from his face with gloved hands. He may have just closed the trooper door with his hip.
I just watched a House Hunter Renovation episode of a young family in southern California that reminded me very much of the McStays. What happened to the McStays is horrific, heartbreaking, evil, almost beyond belief really especially the whole horrible RB aspect.
I believe we don’t know half of the evidence that LE has against Merritt. When the prosecution lays it all out there won’t be a shadow of a doubt about his guilt.
Justice is coming.
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I have to acknowledge the theory of Joseph being attacked before making it home or him not making it home at all has its flaws. There has been a rumor that has been around from the beginning that Joseph stopped at a safe deposit box in Temecula on his way home. Supposedly LE knew of it but was never able to locate it. This is impossible to verify though. If we go by the ping info for Joseph’s phone he may have taken as long as 3 hours to get home. That’s more than twice the time it should have taken. He never called anyone but Chase. He didn’t call or text Summer back. There’s so many anomalies that occurred between the 4-8th. Joseph’s phone pinged from Rancho Cucamonga to Fallbrook. Neither Summer’s or Joseph’s phone pinged beyond Fallbrook and have never been located. The disappearance of the phones and recovery of one of the covers is quite telling. It seems premeditated and very calculated.
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Dellen Millard is back on trial, this time for the murder of father in Nov 2012. The death was originally deemed to be suicide. Lots of crucial evidence missed by the first responders during the initial visit.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4686653?__twitter_impression=true
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Yeah. It’s entirely possible that Merritt drove an incapacitated Joseph back to Fallbrook.
Stone cold evil.
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I’m unable to locate where to post so I’m replyjng to your post. I hope you don’t mind. The address that was searched from the Mcstay computer on February 8th has a dentist office at that location but it also has a T Mobil store. Thanks
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Yes I’m aware of this, it’s in the same warrant that discusses the address search. They stated they contacted t-mobile’s loss prevention for surveillance video. They also state that the address is also an EIP client. Impossible to know now if that client had been interviewed. That could be part of the sealed warrants.
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Any word on anyone streaming the trial? Thanks for keeping us informed.
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It doesn’t appear that is going to happen. There has to be enough push from the media and public, I believe. This just isn’t high profile enough.
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To amend my comment, it’s not to say the media hasn’t tried to get a live stream for the trial. I did hear some rumors that reporter David Gotfredson and possibly others was attempting to petition the court to allow access.
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The phone cover thing has always bothered me…was it only Summers phone case that was found?
why would the killer or killers throw in the phone case but not the phone? You’d think they’d just either stomp on the phone with the case to bust it up or bend it so it snaps or even just toss it somewhere no one would think to look for it. do you think the phones are still out there, waiting to be found?
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It’s not known who’s phone case it was. Chase would know though, he has all the answers. My guess is he held onto the phones in an attempt to get through to emails or other things.
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Also, I’m really looking forward to seeing and hearing his police interviews. All the contradictory statements.
I just wish they’d hurry up. 8 long years is too long.
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Yes I’m curious to see if his accounts of what happened match what he told detectives in 2010.
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Is there an actual concrete start date yet? Are they still kicking it down the road with various dumb motions?
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Hey Corn! It’s the stranger from the Land of Enchantment. I still can’t log into blog to leave a comment with the password, so I thought I would share here. Have patience while reading this. Regarding Touch DNA-If Joseph and Merritt shook hands when they met at the restaurant, would there still be enough DNA to transfer to the gear shift if Joseph ate? Wouldn’t that DNA be wiped off on a napkin, soda cup, sandwich wrapper, etc? Even if he didn’t eat, surely Joseph would of at least got a drink. If Joseph terminated their working relationship, I can’t see them shaking hands after the fact. Someone firing my ass would not get a hand shake. I see Merritt being a @ick and not ending things on good terms. Now, if the meeting was a positive regarding a new contract, then there would be hand shaking going on before and after lunch. so yes DNA could be found in the gear shift, but why not on the door handle? I may be far left on this, so disregard if that’s the case. I know nothing about DNA evidence except what I learn in TV. Tell Fran and the others Hey, Hey, Hey! .b.
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This is also something that may not be true but the rumor is that after the lunch Joseph and Chase went back to the warehouse/workshop. Maybe Chase incapacitated Joseph at that location and then Chase went to Fallbrook by himself with Joseph’s phone on his person and surprised Summer and the boys. Maybe just more speculation from armchair detectives that took over Baker’s blog and spread false ideas and just crap.
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Excuse the typos my dog, Shorty, layed on my phone and sent the email for me before i proofed it. Dang, guess a doggie can eat someone’s homework!
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It sickens me to think just how long this has taken. It hurts my heart to think about all the family has been through – and have yet to go through. The McStay Family is never far from my thoughts.
Thanks Corn!
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It has been so many years, maybe this has been shot down and put to rest as just speculation, but here goes: Guy Joseph’s mom has a home in Fallbrook about two miles from the McStays Rancho Viejo home. Supposedly that is how Joseph discovered the area. Speculation is that Joseph stopped at Costco in Temecula and purchased a laptop for Guy Joseph. He then went to Guy’s mom’s house and met up with Guy and stayed awhile and visited with him before Joseph went home on the 4th. Maybe Chase was at the home first with Summer and the boys. This is from Baker’s blog so I feel it may not be true at all but may be worth discussing if there is some other info that might make this situation plausible.
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Leave it to good ol’ Rick to bend the truth. I’m looking at the actual shipping document. Joseph purchased the laptop from Costco on February 1, it shipped out on the 3rd. Joseph received notification at 3:44 AM on Feb 4 that it shipped. Guy received it on the 8th.
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So I did a little bit of searching through some of my old files. I looked at Joseph Mcstay’s ledger of jobs that were done. The Dental office jumped right out at me. I remembered seeing the name “Keren” and a connection with the office. They did the job on January 12, 2009, almost a year to the date (1/23/2010) that Joseph called the office.
https://i.imgur.com/Zopa3OA.png?1
https://i.imgur.com/n3QMFqk.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/z7x7Xuh.jpg?1
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Speaking of the one who bends the truth, did you see the entry about the estate sale he’s having?
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Where?
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Here is the link: https://garagesalefinder.com/s/NcMEx/8151-center-grove-church-rd-clemmons-nc-27012
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He must be looking to move. Or he’s being run out of town again.
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If you want to get an idea of Merritt’s defense strategy check out these tweets from today’s Dellen Millard trial session.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamCarterCBC
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Wow! Rick Baker is still at it. The link for the estate sale shows all these really nice items and Rick states he would not disrespect Becky by bargaining. Yet in his blog from Becky’s foundation (see Feb 2017), he states he could never bring himself to sell Becky’s items and so therefore gave ALL, EVERYTHING of Becky’s possessions to the Salvation Army. It can’t be both Rick. I was actually starting to feel a little sorry for him. Thought maybe he really did have some regret on how he treated the McStays. But Nope-not now
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Did you see the update? LOL. You’d thought it was an estate sale for Elvis Presley’s belongings. I seriously doubt anyone outside her family or friends is going to remember that dish set they picked up for cheap belonged to Becky…more likely some guy who couldn’t quit promoting himself.
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And after all this time, Rick finally admits he is cancerous to those around him.
“As I look back, I now see that Becky knew she was sick four years before she passed away. She was afraid to address the lump and just hoped it would go away. The signs were there for me, but I was too wrapped up in other “important” stuff to see it.
I had written a book about a missing Southern California family, the McStays, that had begun to consume me (and therefore, Becky). It was a controversial book that took off in the online crime forums. Soon, I authored a blog that had many thousands of hits every week and hundreds of comments each month. I began to believe “my own press” that screamed how “important” I was to the case.” I was an expert, who needed to be involved. The blog, the media interviews, and my ego soon began to take over. I spent many hours daily trying to find the family, traveled extensively in search of the Mcstays and ran down every lead I received. Becky seemed to enjoy the ride as well, but I now think that she just wanted me to be happy and fulfilled, and so she supported my meaningless efforts. A love I could have never deserved.
I said and wrote things about people I never should have. I had become toxic. I look back now and see a man I do not know. I will forever be disappointed that I ever wrote the book. Thankfully, it is no longer available for purchase. The time I wasted that could have been spent solely with Becky. I was so blind.”
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This is probably a CYA ploy for when he meets another woman. His internet history run make any normal woman run for the hills. He can’t erase everything on the net, but he sure can make up some stories in advance about his past nasty behavior. I also noticed Rick G Baker .com has been updated. Not sure of the purpose, other than to advertised his telephone number. I was reminded of the movie, Harvey, where Jimmy Stewart has these social calling cards he hands out to people.
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Someone on Amazon is selling “No Goodbyes” for $177 and $166. I bet it is Rick. It is the same seller.
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I just checked on Amazon and a few other vendors? are trying to sell it for $240-273. Who the heck would pay that much money for it? I did also notice some sky high prices for some other older titles you could pick up for a couple of dollars at a used bookstore.
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Someday it may be a collectors item as the most fictional “non-fictional” book written.
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Ha, and speaking of books- anyone recall that he said he would finish the ‘series’ of Penny books in his wife’s memory, around 5 more he was to write?
In the last year he posted lots of pictures of him at golf courses, diners and driving so maybe not much time to finish the children’s books.
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I noticed he was selling his golf clubs and the ones with the foundation’s name on it.
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Wow, good catch Megaphone on the site with pics. I only saw the mention on his blog.
Also good catch too on donations went to charity…smh.
Wasn’t it found out that RB’s MIL actually owns the house he’s living in?
No doubt her dogs miss her, unless they too will be re-homed.
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She gave him the house. I can’t recall if it was before or after Becky passed.
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The MIL deeded it over to him shortly after Becky died. Then in Oct 2017 he transferred the deed over to The Becky Foundation (still himself really). I’m sure there was some financial/tax angle to that move. I haven’t spotted any signs online of the house being for sale or rent yet.
He might genuinely care about those dogs. I noticed he foot the bill for one of them to have some sort of medical procedure. Of course, it all depends on if they begin to cramp his style. Right now, I think they fit in with his look at me personality. Fluffy white dogs in my nice truck. If he is entertaining ideas of moving out of that house he is going to need another house with a large yard for all those big dogs.
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I think he sincerely loves the dogs. He is probably just making room for a potential roommate or two. There really is a ton of stuff for sale. Maybe I am wrong because he does not seem to stay very long in one place. Kind of a nomad type of person.
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Here’s a thought. Maybe Becky set up a separate trust for the hoo haws and he’s found a way to tap into it. I still have a hard time believing that RB does anything out of the kindness of his heart.
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I would not doubt that she did set things up for her dogs. They were her children. She was a kind soul and hooked up with Baker. I am sure he loves the dogs and maybe he has changed with facing the facts that she has died. As an ex-reverend he is not very empathetic. I wouldn’t be surprised if her mom is not the executor of a trust for the dogs. Baker said on the foundation blog that Becky saved everything from her first husband after his death and he said that Bob was her first love. He was happy to always be second. Yeah, right. I do not believe that at all. There were hundreds of boxes with all his clothes, shoes and books. He probably shipped all that stuff off to Bob’s family. I wonder if he heard from his kids on Father’s day? Still waiting for the ax of doom to come down on his head.
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Good to hear from you Just Me. I wish you well. I have missed your input. You tell it like it is and do not sugar coat. That is respectable.
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Awe thanks, Mega. I hope you’re doing well and things are good. My husband had surgery so between that and my daughter I’ve been keeping pretty busy.
Once there’s some movement on the case I’ll probably be posting more but it’s been quiet and uneventful for far too long. Like everyone else I can’t wait for the trial to get going already.
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Nice to hear from you Just Me. I only hope that since so much time has lasped since Merritt was arrested, that this case does not do a complete 360. Fingers crossed that Merritt gets his punishment. Still thinking of Joe and his family.
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So this is not a widely known case, but it’s extremely intriguing and bizarre nonetheless.
http://fox8.com/2018/06/21/who-was-joseph-newton-chandler-iii-authorities-to-reveal-true-identity-of-mystery-man/
This man has been suspected as being the Zodiac because his appearance is similar to that of sketches. After learning about the identity of this man, the dates and places he’s been, it’s possible there is a connection. In 1965 he lived in Richmond, Ca which is in extreme proximity to the Zodiac murders that began in 1968. It’s still not known why Nichols chose to disappear and assume another identity so many decades ago. I can’t but notice the similar neat writing. Although Nichols wrote in block lettering and Zodiac was lowercase.
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In 1978 he applied for a social security card in South Dakota. I did some research and found an unsolved murder of a teenager in 1977 shot to death with a .22 caliber pistol, what the Zodiac killer used. Granted that is a popular gun. It appeared the boy was chased and shot down.
Maybe?
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Here’s a fascinating and well written read.
https://www.lamag.com/salomon-unsolved-murder/
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Thanks so much for that article. I love these old cold cases. It makes you want to get justice for the victims. Really interesting.
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https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/panoply/detective/e/45209828
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Here is a link to this cold case that has fascinated me since I was 10 yrs. old. It happened in the nearby town and my parents got the Cleveland Press and I loved the newspaper and read it daily. I became obsessed with this case. It really is interesting. There is so much stuff on it and it is still unsolved. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/unsolved-with-homa-bash-the-search-for-beverly-jaroszs-killer
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Here is another current link: https://community.babycenter.com/post/a62674543/armchair-detectives-the-unsolved-murder-of-beverly-jarosz-triggers
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Rick sold half the land that his MIL deeded to him. No records that he sold the house – yet. Appears he sold just under 5 acres to a neighbor whose property butted up against it. Papers were signed at the end of June.
http://www.forsythdeeds.com/forsythDetailScreen.php?inst_num=2018024962
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The guy is a nomad. He does not stay long in one place. Onto his next adventure. He is always hunting and searching for something better than he has. A bit loopy in my opinion. Maybe he will write another self published horrendous book about losing his wife and surviving another tragedy. He wrote about his relationship with God, wrote about the ex-girlfriend and all that hate involving his two kids with her, more to come, just wait.
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I have to think it’s only a matter of time before he sells the home. He has no income and it’s beneath him to get a regular job. Becky’s cancer treatments – Yes, she had them – probably drained a good chunk of her money. It may have even been the driving force behind his foundation. How sad and pathetic is that.
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Is it true the trial was postponed again?
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A couple days ago the defense filed a motion for continuance (or request to postpone) for today’s scheduled hearing. I believe that is what it was for anyways.
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I’m hearing the trial has been postponed until January with the next hearing August 10th. By then Chase will have been in jail just over 4 years. I wonder how his failing heart is doing all this time.
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I am so disappointed in a judge allowing it to be continued this long! The Mcstays deserve better!
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I am beginning to believe that Chase’s lawyers are stalling this trial because Chase wants to die in jail. He does not want the trial because then his family will learn all the evidence against him. His daughter would probably be floored at the evidence. Remember Taylor? She did interviews with Baker.
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Not that it matters, but I don’t think she is legitimate daughter.
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She’s his bio daughter. She looks like a lot of his sisters. Curious why you think not?
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My impression is she looks nothing like the other children. But I have kids who don’t look like me, so who knows. I don’t think he was with Cathy long enough for her to be his.
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Well if she isn’t , don’t tell Chase or Taylor because they believe they are blood.
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Bio dad or not, she still calls him dad. If he is convicted it will be earth shattering for her and her mom and the other two kids. That is why Chase is going along with all this stalling. He does not want to go to trial. He knows all the evidence that they have against him. We do not at this point.
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From what I have gleaned from news coverage and other sources, it is the attorneys dragging their feet. according to my sources he is screaming his head off wanting to go to trial but his attorneys are not quite done dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s of their defense. Remember awhile back they requested DNA testing? wonder what they found? could that be what is holding this thing up?
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If you are innocent and in jail with no bail for four years now and facing the death penalty, wouldn’t you want to speed this trial up so that you could prove your innocence? Just wondering.
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That’s exactly what I was thinking, Mega! There’s no way in hell I’d quietly sit in jail for a crime I did not commit. I would be screaming my innocence to everyone, giving interviews to MSM and firing my attorneys for dragging their feet.
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I feel so bad for the surviving family members of the McStays, on both sides, Summer’s and Joe’s. I can not even imagine living this nightmare every day for all these years without true justice.
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Patrick seems po’ed at the process and the media. Can’t blame him. I just hope once this trial gets underway there is no mistrial or unable to reach an unanimous verdict. Seen that happen in a few domestic murders and by the time judgement was rendered it had been a decade since the crime.
https://www.myvalleynews.com/story/2018/08/02/news/trial-of-alleged-mcstay-family-murderer-postponed-again/61856.html
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Stella: It has been so long I am not sure about the DNA testing. Whose DNA? Thanks.
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https://www.sbsun.com/2017/12/07/defense-attorneys-request-family-photos-videos-be-excluded-from-mcstay-family-murder-suspects-trial/
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McGee noted that investigators submitted a DNA analysis request form to the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department’s Forensic Biology Unit to “help identify involved parties and verify involved parties.” He also referenced an excerpt from page three of the form, which revealed something that has not been disclosed by investigators to date: they believe Summer McStay had been raped before she was killed.
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I wouldn’t go as far as to say they (detectives) believed she was raped but rather were exploring the possibility. And of course if Merritt’s DNA was found where it shouldn’t be, then it’s just more damning evidence against him.
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the defense ordered the DNA testing. I am so curious what they found and if this is what is now holding this thing up
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the defense requested the DNA analysis. I am curious to know what was found and if that’s what is holding this thing up. I don’t think i would call McGee a creep though, He is a former deputy district attorney and prosecuted cases on behalf of the County of San Bernardino for over twelve years. anyway what if Merritt’s DNA is not there? I am anxious to see how this all plays out.
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You mean what if his isn’t there and someone else’s is? IMO it wouldn’t exclude him from committing the murders but it might indicate he wasn’t alone.
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My heart just breaks for Summer. This case is such a tragedy. It truly shows you about what the consequences just might be for hiring the wrong person. Unbelievable. It is beyond time for justice for this family. The prosecutors most likely have a ton of evidence to keep Chase in jail for all these years with no bail while his attorneys try to come up with more crap to spin this crime. Chase’s attorneys are creeps themselves.
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Hey Meg – Remember when I had noticed that Jim fell off the map of public information around the late 90s and then reappeared with that OPM company in 2004? Found out why. He was in prison. Drugs (possession and intent to distribute) and a harassment charge. I guess that one photo of him in a gray shirt was actually his DOC pic.
https://www.rapsheets.org/colorado/doc-prisoner/LEPIK_JAMES/50915
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ABC: They identified Jim’s remains by putting his DNA from bones in the system. He had no teeth only dentures. They got a hit from a Michael Evans who was incarcerated in TX for murder. They contacted Evans and he said Lepik was his dad. The other son, Tommy, told me that. Remember he posted on this blog. I actually called and talked to him. He did not know who Evans killed. I wish I could find that out. I believe his name was Michael Evans. I need to check my notes for sure.
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Let me know after you check your notes. For some reason the TX DOC inmate finder is down this morning. His name is so common be hard to find the right person w/o a little more info.
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ABC: His name is Michael James Evans. He lived with Jim in Aurora, Co. He was arrested in TX on July 23-2005 for murder. I don’t know if he had a trial or what. He did not get the death penalty because his release date is 7-22-2040. Maybe he took a plea to avoid the death penalty. When Tommy first told me about him back in May I looked Evans up at the TX criminal site. Jim’s body was found on 6-25-2005. I wonder if Michael went after someone for his dad’s death. Michael was also in prison in CO for drugs at one time. Probably at the same time as Jim.
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How old is he? A couple of people with that name seem young – as in their 30s, so all these crimes would have been committed while in their 20s.
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I don’t know his age for sure. I think he is in his late 40’s. The one criminal site in CO said he was from Pueblo, CO. Jim’s family is from there. I assumed he is Jim’s oldest son. When I knew Jim I did not even know he had any kids. He lived with Jill and her daughter and they were married for many years. Michael turned over Jim’s ashes to Jill. Tommy said that he wanted that gold lion necklace that his dad always wore.
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The TX DOC site is still down. I found the below and the sentencing and offense dates don’t make sense – especially if the case number is similar to ones used in other states (98 would look to be the offense date). This Michael is 36. Of course, Tarrant County charges for access to criminal records now, even with a case number.
https://bailbondcity.com/texas/txdoc-inmate-EVANS/07394192
There was another website insideprison that had the same inmate info, but different county. Stated sentencing took place in Runnels county (Winters). The Texas Tribune has a database that stated sentencing in Tarrant and his hometown (?) county was Angelina.
I dunno. Will try the TX DOC tomorrow and see if it is back up.
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Here is a link with his mugshot from Tarrant, Tx. Booking #0695190 No Bond Michael looks just like Jim did many years ago. https://bailbondcity.com/texas/tarrant-inmate-directory-search.php?firstname=michael&lastname=evans
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That’s not the same Michael Evans that is in prison for murder. He’s too old and is in the Tarrant County jail. Jim would have been 14 when that man was born. I finally found the murder case against the 36 year old Michael Evans with the 35 year sentence for murder. But I’m still not 100% certain he is Jim’s son, this article states he was living in Lufkin, TX (not Colorado) – yet it was a double murder over a drug deal. More than likely him though.
Scroll down to 2005 Capital Murder Charges are Dropped – Matthew Lee Harvel
https://www.mail-archive.com/deathpenalty@lists.washlaw.edu/msg06587.html
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Thanks for the info. That Michael Evans in Tarrant County jail does look like Jim did. All skinny. I did find that Harry Davidson used to live in Colorado Springs at the time of Jim’s death. I bet you are right about this Michael Evans being Jim’s son with the drug activity. Still wondering what evidence is out there that Wali killed Jim. Maybe it was more than just one person.
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Did only one of Jim’s kids have his last name? Joshua? I don’t understand that.
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Sissy and Tommy were raised by Jim’s mom and stepfather. They had the stepfather’s last name because he adopted them when they were young. Then there is this Michael James Evans. I recall that Tommy said Joshua Lepik was Jim’s brother’s son. I believe the brother lives in Pueblo, CO.
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Did you find Davidson obit? He worked in a hospital as ct/mri/ xray tech. Evans was a land surveyor and Jett was in the military. All good professions. Why were they are involved in this seedy drug business? All of them addicts?
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Good question. I can only think that it was because of big money. If Jim was cooking the meth he most likely was a big supplier. Davidson and Jett could have been distributors. From reading about these kind of drug happenings, some of the suppliers and distributors do not take the drugs. Jim turned into an addict. Maybe these other two were not or they might have been at one time and cleaned it up but still could not resist the money. When I talked to Tommy he kept going on and on about his dad having money when he was killed. He wanted to know where it all went. He thought Jill took it all somehow. Jim had three sports cars and a BMW. I called Tommy back and left a message but he still has never called me. I think his sister told him not to get involved with this crime and keep his mouth shut.
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Here’s a 2005 article about it. Mom’s name and claims that Evans had a history of drug abuse, mental illness and learning disabilities.
http://lufkindailynews.com/news/article_72428f46-2ecb-501e-8e07-8a09d9efe28f.html
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You are amazing with what you find. The mom does not say the killings were related to Jim. If that was the case I would think she might admit it to justify the murders. She said he was set up by friends. OK. Maybe these killings are not related. Some really bad people involved with this crime. Thanks again.
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“When I talked to Tommy he kept going on and on about his dad having money when he was killed.”
Do you believe that? I’ve never known hardcore addicts to have any money (other than the filthy rich & celebrities). Then add in that he spent time in prison right before he was murdered. He sure didn’t own any property. Unless Tommy saw those cars, I don’t know that I would believe they existed. If he died with assets and without a will it would have gone through probate and those kids would have been notified….not Jill since she was no longer married to him.
One thing I’ve noticed since you first brought up Jim, most of the people we’ve searched all have a connection to Texas. And the way that article portrays how casually Evans shot those 2 men, I wouldn’t be surprised if that circle of people had other bodies on them.
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I have to agree. One shot to the head each. Sounds like execution style. I did not find an obit for Harry Davidson. Jim’s brother is 73 and lives in an apartment in Pueblo. Kenneth Lepik. His daughter Cindy Lepik died age 48 in 2015. I do not know her cause of death. She lived in Colorado Springs. Jim probably boasted about his wealth to Tommy, my guess. Tommy said that Jill called him and told him his dad was dead and there was no money or property to divide up. Obviously he did not believe her.
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https://obits.gazette.com/obituaries/gazette/obituary.aspx?n=harry-davidson&pid=14865453
I can’t find one for Scott Jett. But he had a couple of open criminal cases in TX when he died. A DUI and Evading arrest with a vehicle. Had a DUI in 2001 that they pled down to reckless driving. So I’d Scott had a drinking problem.
Here’s a link to a mugshot and arrest history of that guy who was with Evans when he shot those 2 men. I always like to see what these folks look like. Still can’t find a pic of Evans.
List of his convictions at this one
https://www.rapsheets.org/texas/doc-prisoner/HARVEL_MATTHEW/05805587
Mugshot at this one
https://www.bustedmugshots.com/texas/haltom-city/matthew-lee-harvel/14436151
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She filed for bankruptcy 2 months before she died. Hmm. Maybe nothing. If she had been sick would she have bothered? When someone that age dies now without any hint of an accident or illness, I immediately wonder if it was an OD. This hoot town I live had an article in our local paper about the unbelievable number of opioid deaths here in recent years – and most of them were middle age.
I’ve had a lot of contractors in and out of here the last couple of here too and I spot a pill head in every crew that shows up. Big problem. Both the guy who does my pest control and the other one who does repair/remodels for me – complain about the lack of decent help for that reason. In fact, both said they were ready to resort to picking up illegal day labors.
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I know what you mean about druggies. We even have legal pot now in CA. You can’t tell me that people that have pot and have teenage kids are not going to find the kids stealing their pot. Bad news. Crystal meth, heroin and pills seem to be the norm anymore. Two years ago I had a marine from Camp Pendleton who would shoot up in front of my house. I live on a cul de sac. I finally got rid of him by taking a picture of his license plate and telling him if I ever catch him up here again I was turning him in. What a loser. It literally blew my mind to see him shooting up in his car in his cammies and then driving away and heading to the base.
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MY GOD……Read this 2007 Lufkin birth announcement (Elaine Rushing is Michael’s mother’s name). How many Elaine Rushing’s do you think were living in Lufkin in 2005-2007? I guess double murder runs in the family.
Terrie and Brent Stalsby of Lufkin announce the birth of their daughter, Stormee Shyann, born Feb. 27 at Memorial Medical Center, weighing 7 lbs. 6 oz. Sister is Jazmyn Elayne Stalsby. Grandparents are Elaine Rushing and Richard McCarty, both of Lufkin. Great-grandparents are Joyce Taylor and Kent Taylor, both of Lufkin.
Flashforward to a 2011 sentencing hearing for a 2007 double murder.
Lufkin couple sentenced for role in Aryan Brotherhood murders
Brent Stalsby, 30, pleaded guilty on Jan. 21, 2011 to committing a violent crime in aid of racketeering activity, (VICAR) and was sentenced to life in federal prison by U.S. District Judge Marcia Crone. Specifically, Brent Stalsby admitted that he murdered David Mitchamore and Christy Rochelle Brown. Terry Stalsby, 29, pleaded guilty on Jan. 21, 2011 to charges of accessory after the fact in the murder of Christy Rochelle Brown and was sentenced to 162 months in federal prison today by Judge Crone.
http://www.kltv.com/story/14721140/judge-sentences-lufkin-couple-for-etoile-murders
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Heck – the FBI even released a statement about the indictments. Oodles of news articles about these murdering racists. Twist and Peaches. I need to figure out if it is Terrie or Brent that is related to Elaine/Michael. No parents listed in the birth announcement – so I guess they are dead or in prison too.
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/dallas/press-releases/2010/dl020110-1.htm
Meg, you weren’t kidding with your statement about some very bad people mixed up in all this.
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Jim went to prison in TX for amphetamine possession when he was in his 20’s. Now Elaine has three of her kids in prison. One for life, one for 35 yrs and the woman got 13.5 years. What a crew. Must be a family gathering every Saturday (like a picnic) if they are in the same prison.
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Meg, pic of Michael and his mother ( Elaine is Terrie’s Mom, all these different last names have me confused). From Terrie Stalsby’s Myspace. In another pic she calls him “killerman” and wait till he gets home. She also has the gall to tag pics of the man she was involved murdering with RIP and missing ya Super Dave. She tags a pic of a black woman as her sister??? and she is also bisexual. Is the Aryan Brotherhood OK with that?
https://myspace.com/peaches2507/mixes/classic-my-baby-brother-and-favorite-homeboy-ever-488288/photo/212955173
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So since Elaine’s daughter and son in law are in prison, she must be raising her two grand daughters. That will probably ensure the next generation of losers for this horrendous family. The girls father is in prison for his whole life. Jim’s son looks scary skinny. Ugh. Sounds like a possible “reality” TV show could be streaming soon.
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Grandpa McCarty is a life long felon too. I bet he’s part of the Brotherhood. Below is just one arrest. This one was around the time period of the murdering going on. Granny Elaine appears to have at least 4 marriages under belt. This family reminds me of the Sons of Anarchy. Think that’s what they were shooting for?
https://arrestfacts.com/Richard-Mccarty-6u2O32
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Hey Meg, I just checked Angelina County court records and they list Michael’s middle name as Raymond. There is a Michael James, but he was born in 1969 and is a sex offender. I don’t see anyone else in the TX DOC serving a murder sentence named Michael Evans that fits the bill. There’s a Michael Lynn but he is 63 years old.
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Tommy never gave me his middle name. He only said Michael Evans. I could have made the error. But like you said, this is the only Michael Evans for murder. This whole thing is just unbelievable with these people. That Aryan Brotherhood is a huge gang in the prison system of all states.
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I don’t think he ever lived in Colorado or with Jim. Certainly not in the years before Jim was murdered. He was getting arrested every couple of months and was on probation. Two different mugshots of him at the below link. Tall and skinny. His one T-shirt has a pic of a naked woman on it – classy! Just the type of guy a mom would love for her daughter to bring home.
https://arrestfacts.com/Michael-Evans-6Q2f22
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What a train wreck. I was thinking now about what Tommy told me about Michael Evans. He did say he lived with Jim. Maybe Tommy was not being totally truthful with me or Jim told him untruths. The only other Michael Evans is the sex offender. Now I am confused myself. What a nightmare. The Michael Evans born in 1969 could be possible. Jim had just graduated from high school in 1969. Like you said, with this crew maybe the murder Michael Evans committed is a cold case and he has not been arrested yet and Tommy said he killed someone and was spilling the family beans. Maybe that is why I have not heard from him. He might have had second thoughts about disclosing info.
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The sex offender is a fat redheaded guy in Warren TX. And he wasn’t living with Jim either, as he has to registered his address for life. Doesn’t appear he has left Tyler Co TX since 1998. And he was on probation in Texas for 10 years starting in 1992.
What family beans? Jim was murdered 14 years ago. I’m not sure the Evans in the TX DOC is Jim’s kid. His mother sure got around (AL,LA,SC,TX) and with various men, but I find no link to Colorado or Jim. The daughter who was arrested used the last name Evans too before she married the KKK guy. And damn if I can figure out who Daddy Evans is. Those two were born in 1981 & 1982…wasn’t Jim married to Jill around that time? He married a Susan Green in 1975 and there was a prior marriage in NM to a Diane (not sure of her maiden name).
Oh well, it was an fascinating search of bad guys. If you’re interested I found a couple of recent pics where Elaine visited her murdering children in prison.
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ABC: Did you check this guy out? Michael J Evans from Colorado. El Paso County, CO. 28 yrs. #05CR2005 http://www.doc.state.co.us/oss/
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This Michael J Evans has a docket #130235 He is age 33. I don’t think Jim and Jill got together until after 1985. Jim was from TX. He took a job transfer to CO to work for a collection agency called ACB. This Michael Evans is from Aurora, Greenwood Village and Englewood, CO. Jim lived all those places. Could this be him?
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None of the criminal court case numbers listed on the DOC site come up in El Paso Colorado criminal records. Weird. Anyway, I bet this is him. Make sure to read the second link more details in it and explains the one 28 year sentence.
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/1479352.html
https://www.911jobforums.com/showthread.php?t=43281
Now I need figure out who mom is and hope that leads me to where he is living now. I found an out of state parolee search engine, but nothing showed up for him.
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The daughter looks like a man now. Yikes.
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She said on her myspace she was bisexual. I suppose that’s a good thing for her since she’s going w/o any male loving for 14 years.
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ABC: That is him. What a disgrace. So you think he did get parole? It did not give a release date. I saw he was up for it. He was supposed to be in prison until 3-12-2021. I did see out of state parolee. I wonder why they would let him leave the state and still be on parole. I bet he is in TX. I wonder how long before he is back inside. Thanks for the info.
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Found him. He’s in Utah. His parole office is in Draper, which is in the Salt Lake area. Ain’t that something – a criminal in Utah using Jim’s name as an alias and Evans receives permission to serve his parole in Utah. One assumes he must have family or some sort of support in that area. He’s not in Texas. The mystery continues. I’m baffled by the whole family situation anyway.
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This plays along like some Coen brothers movie.
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Not related to the Mcstay case but interesting nonetheless. Mega you may have heard of this.
https://truecrimediva.com/the-1984-bennett-family-murder/
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Wholly cow. Just posted this morning.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/us/colorado-cold-case/index.html
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https://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/08/10/alexander-christopher-ewing-suspect-1984-deadly-hammer-attacks-bennett-aurora-lakewood/
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Well that is amazing. Never give up hope on these cold cases.
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The brutality and sadistic nature of this guy is astounding. Can you imagine if Gianni or little Joseph survived? It is said the father who was murdered put up one hell of a fight, trying to get to his family upstairs to save them after he was attacked. He had enough wounds and stabbings that he should have been dead before he was.
I’m just amazed that I listened to a podcast on it yesterday morning – before ever hearing about it – and posted when I did 10 minutes before the story of his arrest broke.
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The timing and your interest is unusual. It is good that you have this blog and are hooked up with the net and all that is going on. You are a voice. You take a lot of abuse by having this blog but I think you are helping and do good for all, missing, murdered and all their survivors that have to deal with the grief. Thanks.
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I did live in Aurora when this ass was killing people. People were afraid. It was scary and people were talking about it all the time. Thank goodness he has been in prison since 1984. If not, I can not imagine all the people he would have killed in all these years. He did not know these people. That is a special kind of crazy.
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There is a huge new kind of crazy unfolding in Fredrick, CO right now. The dad confessed to killing his 33 yr old pregnant wife and their 3 and 4 yr old girls. He buried them on his work property which was an oil field nearby. The guy went on the news and and did a statement asking for them to come home. Here along, he killed them. It is just unbelievable the evil in this world. Here is the link: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/16/colorado-dad-likely-killed-pregnant-wife-daughters-at-home-prosecutors-reveal.html
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This couple was arrested in NC numerous times before they moved to CO. The news media is not listing what those charges were. They filed bankruptcy in 2015 for $400,000 in debt. Curious to know about their NC background which is not being reported. The wife was involved with an MLM called Thrive and it is a wellness supplement but when you research it, it is a total caffeine cocktail with pills and drinks. It does not have a good review when you research it. I guess these were just people hyped up on supposedly natural supplements and living beyond their means and not being able to pay their bills. Interesting case and just shouts out to modern day tragedies. ABC: Can you find out about the NC arrests for these people?
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I had been following it since the story broke. The husband didn’t come off very genuine to me from the get-go. I don’t know if the girls were fathered by him, the media has been reporting that they were her daughters, not their’s. He told investigators they had an argument. Last person to see her. Murdered children. Bodies placed where he was strongly acquainted with. Sound familiar?
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She just has some traffic tickets. I don’t see anything for him. NC court and arrest records are hit and miss. Some counties give you access and some don’t.
These murders reminds me of Neil Entwistle killing his wife and baby. The happy family online living large, but in reality lots of lies, money problems and secrets.
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I found out more about the Watts killing in CO. The admitted killer dad was supposedly hooked up with a guy back in March of this year. He met him on “Meet Me”, a dating site. The gay lover called into the Ashley Banfield show and said he was Watts’ lover. The phone call on her show can not be verified but here is the link: https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/ashleigh-banfield-interviews-man-claiming-to-be-chris-watts-gay-lover/ It has also come out that more recently Watts was having an affair with a co-worker. This was a woman that was a field engineer. He is supposedly in an affair with her up until the day that he was fired from his job. They worked together and her dad was Watt’s boss. That is why he was fired so quickly when he got arrested. The guy is a true creep.
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Another pathetic POS.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/06/man-charged-after-stabbing-cousins-wife-3-children-and-telling-police-were-killed-by-ms-13-officials-say.html
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Absolutely it is familiar in the fact that the confessed murderer did media reports. That is familiar, absolutely. The guy on his front porch and his body language is so very strange. The normal dad would not even be able do this kind of interview. They would be sobbing and not being able to talk very well, let alone smiling like this POS did. The dad does have similarities to Chase when you watch a video that shows his body language.
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I don’t understand these husbands who think they can murder the wife plus the kids and get away with it. The ones who take out the whole family are usually caught and fairly quickly too. Now killing or disappearing just the wife, seems they stand better odds of not being arrested and convicted. I can think of a lot of cold case missing or murdered wife cases, where everyone thinks the husband did it. Maybe that’s why Chase ran free for so long, highly unusual for someone other than a family member to poof an entire family. Which is probably why so many internet people were so accepting of the lies Baker spread about the McStays.
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Watts did a piss poor job of cleaning up the crime scenes. Some other observations-
Of course, he was having an affair and they were all strangled. Shades of Family Killer, Chris Coleman.
We have a little Chase action too – backing up his truck to the garage and loading up tools (more like bodies). Caught on neighbors video.
And he also uses a Neil Entwistle defense – he claims Shannan killed the girls and then he killed her. (Entwistle claims Rachel shot her baby and then herself).
Click to access Warrantless%20Arrest%20Affidavit.pdf
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I am speechless that this worm, Watts, is blaming the death of the girls on his wife. That is a huge all time low. I wonder how long he was having an affair. What happened to old fashioned divorce.
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Pathetic piece of shit. Disparaging his children’s mother after death in an attempt to save his own skin.
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I recently started listening to a podcast from Australia called The Teacher’s Pet. Number 4 on Apple podcasts in the US and number 1 in Australia and Britain. It chronicles the case of a woman who disappears a year after her husband/teacher begins having an affair with one his 15 year old students/live-in babysitter. It’s appalling that the local police for the last 36 years (well at least the first 8 years) did zero investigating, despite everyone believing he had something to do with her disappearance. Completely engrossing.
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The Mollie Tibbetts missing person case is over. They found her body in a cornfield in the town where she lived in Iowa. They arrested an illegal immigrant named Christian Rivera who has been in the US for about 7 yrs. A person turned in a video from their personal home surveillance camera system that showed Mollie running and being followed by a black Malibu. The killer is saying he blacked out about the murder but led the police to her body in the cornfield. Gray Hughes ( I think it is the same one from the McStay case) has a You Tube channel and he maps out the area where she was running and then where her body was found. He talks about the murder. He also has videos that he has put together on some other cases. He did an extensive one on the Jodi Arias crime. I wonder if this Rivera person has killed other women in that area. Mollie was Facebook friends with the mother of Rivera’s kid.
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I’ve been following and absorbing it since it broke this morning. The forums blew up with a wide range of emotions. People are trolling his GF now on FB. There are predators everywhere, nobody is safe. There is a bittersweetness though to what happened today, her family has her and knows her killer and doesn’t have to wait years to have closure. Well, some closure.
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People are outraged at the “illegal immigrant for seven years” aspect about this case. I looked up his Facebook when his name was released in the press conference and within 10 minutes, the picture on the page was turned to just black. It was a white guy and two young hispanic kids which was the killer and his brother. The white guy must have been harboring the illegals. This is not even over on so many levels.
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So much for e-verify. The owner of the farm where he was employed claims he was vetted through it for 4 years. So, either the owner isn’t being totally truthful or Riveria had some fake ID that allowed him to fool the e-verify system. I don’t know enough about how it works to render a knowledgeable opinion. I worked the 2010 census for a couple of years and all applicants had undergo that background check – it flagged a bunch of people that we had to let go. Believe those folks ended up not being truthful about past criminal arrests or convictions and not whether they were a US citizen.
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Even farm animals and pets aren’t safe from them. I can’t find a strong enough word that describes the grossness of these perverts. They even filmed it.
Three men have been arrested on a staggering 1,400 counts of bestiality after allegedly throwing orgies at their Pennsylvania farm.
Terry Wallace, 41, Matthew Brubaker, 32, and Marc Measnikoff, 34, were all arrested in Munson on Saturday after a 16-year-old boy who was living at the property reported them to police.
The teenager told authorities the men had been having sex with goats, horses, dogs and cows and that they were using a ‘specially designed V-shaped pen’ to do so.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6082639/Three-men-arrested-1-400-counts-having-sex-animals-Pennsylvania-farm.html
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Those men having sex with animals are beyond disgusting. What has this world come to?
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Rivera had a fake ID. The farm owner has admitted to that.
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While I do harbor some strong feelings against illegal immigration, to me the fact this man was an illegal immigrant is irrelevant to the heinous crime he committed. What if he was here legally? He would likely been living and working in the same place and possibly crossed paths with Mollie Tibbets sooner or later, or some other unfortunate girl. Many are focusing on the fact he was illegal committing murder instead of the person committing murder. One illegal act does not lead to the other. Neither crimes are connected. It makes me sick this poor woman is being used as a political football.
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Illegal or not, Rivera was a twisted bad person. There is another woman in Brooklyn, Iowa that is a jogger and she is claiming he followed her before. Why didn’t she speak up a month ago?
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The mom, Iris, is taking a lot of abuse for taking a 3 yr old to see her loser dad in court in shackles. She is just looking for either sympathy for the loser baby dad or her own 15 minutes of fame. What a tragedy. The little girl did not need to be there. She is young enough to not remember her killer dad. He admitted to the killing. This is just heartbreaking. The Tibbetts family are suffering where they do not believe they will ever have any kind of normal. They need to go to counseling. Everyone goes through loss of their people and you have to decide to move on from the tragedy and not let it dictate your life or just succumb to the grief and then it is another productive life that is lost. It is difficult but it really is the best thing for you. Acceptance of the tragedy.
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And it goes on. Look what this fool did in San Diego yesterday. A You Tube idiot. What the hell.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6096691/YouTube-gamer-car-crash-victims-pictured-18-year-old-driver-sped-100mph-wrong-direction.html
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Some cases are unforgettable. This is one of those cases, so I do from time to time revisit it. I have freshened up this post with additional information I have gathered. There should be justice in this case as with the McStays. No one deserves to be stolen out of their homes and murdered.
In the meantime, I am working on showcasing another cold case that is decades old that I feel is still solvable.
– C.
https://cuttingthebs.wordpress.com/2015/09/23/mirror-mirror/
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Does anyone else think someone else was involved? I do. How did he tranport bodies, get their vehicle to Mexican border and get home?
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It’s very possible. It would change things quite a bit if we knew for a fact that he was helped. I feel strongly that he was but there isn’t evidence so far of that and may never be. After this long he’s been the only one charged. The prosecution only needs to convince a jury that he had motive and opportunity to murder them, which he certainly did.
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well we know he was in phone contact with Cathy Jarvis that night and the next day or so.
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I used to use the moniker motivationor and it was short for mo. This mo person is not me. I am now Megaphone. I do not believe that Cathy Jarvis knew about any of this crime regarding Chase. He made his own bed and has to lay in it.
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He was in contact with her because she was his live-in girlfriend and mother to his children. You can’t really gleem much at all from him calling her.
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There was another tragedy in that neighborhood on September 19, Lake Rancho Viejo. Two long feuding neighbors got in a confrontation in the street in front of their homes. They lived across the street from each other. The 53 yr. old guy pushed the 55 yr. old guy and he fell in the street and hit his head. He died two days later from brain trauma. The man was charged and jailed and is now out on bail. His house is up for sale. They have had restraining orders issued against each other through the years. That place has a dark cloud over it, IMO.
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First mini doc.
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Wow. Just heartbreaking. Talk about needing some kind of possible closure. Thanks for the video.
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what is the mini doc? i cant see anything
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You have to view it from a Facebook account.
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According to Patrick McStay, the trial will be televised, repeat – TELEVISED.
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Wow! It would be good if you can video tape it with your phone or whatever so we can all watch it. Love you Cornelius.
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What station is it going to be televised on? I have not heard anything from the San Diego stations. More info would be good. Unfortunately Patrick’s Go Fund Me is not anywhere near the money he needs. Where are all these Facebook followers of his that bashed everyone that didn’t agree with all that rhetoric crap? Where is Baker who needs to give the whole $15,000 that Patrick is asking for?This case proved to be such an amusement for so many people and now why aren’t they opening up their wallets to help out this grieving dad? This whole case is so perplexing. Truly sad.
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Just a second thought about through all these years and all those women that followed Patrick on Facebook have not donated to make this thing happen for him. Unbelievable about internet people and they are not true friends. Just a presence. Those women ridiculed people on Patrick’s behalf. Where are they now? Hey, $25 would make it happen for Patrick requesting $1500. Just a complete joke. They were entertained by this case for many years. This makes me angry and unhappy for Patrick because he entertained these hags for years.
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I seriously doubt local stations will do full coverage but will have snippets. There are a number of outlets that do full coverage and live streaming. We’ll probably know more closer to January.
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I think Baker is living in California now, according to one online site, with a new pic of himself too.
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I can promise Rick still resides in NC. His name is not that uncommon, I have one in my home town and another in a neighboring town.
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http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/sd-me-mcstay-jury-20181029-story.html
Jury selection starts with a couple of hundred potential jurors coming into the courthouse each work day over the next two weeks to go through the application screening process until a panel is seated.
The lawyers are not expected to give their opening statements until January. The trial, including deliberations, may last an estimated four to six months.
Do I understand this correctly? They are going to pick a jury now then come back in January to proceed.
Is anyone going to the trial from here. I live a few miles from the court may try to go a day or two.
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I remember you posting something on Isabel Celis case. It was 6 year old who disappeared on at night in Tucson in 2012. Everyone thought it was father-even Nancy Grace. But like Molly Tibbits it was just a very bad man who killed a 13 year old two years later. I lived in Tucson in 2012 and Isabel case really got to me. Glad they found her killer. Interesting article on this
https://tucson.com/news/local/steller-column-after-indictment-we-owe-the-parents-of-isabel/article_a0a50e6d-09d0-5ee7-86ba-946f04cd9bb1.html
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Well Nancy Grace suspects everyone. So many – myself included – are quick to judge someone by the words they choose, way they act, or even where they live and convict them without an ounce of proof. I think back to interviews Mike Mcstay gave early on and people suspected him of something simply because of the awkward way he carried himself on tv. Skeptics believed Summer Mcstay was connected to Colombian drug lords because of her native heritage or that Joseph was a drug dealer getting shipments from Mexico in fountains. All the while they lay dead beneath a couple feet of desert soil from the hands of a callous and selfish human named Charles Ray Merritt.
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corn, you are speaking as if it is a foregone conclusion that merritt did this. Do you know something we don’t or have tangible evidence ? with all the things coming out in old cases and the amount of innocent people getting released after years in jail, the innocence project and such… i just cant make such a declaration with as much conviction as you.
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I conclude he did it, from evidence posted here and elsewhere. I’ve done enough research and interviews with those close to him to make that conclusion as well. But I’m not an investigator or journalist, so take what I say with a grain of salt. Of course there are many who have been convicted under tainted or false evidence, that doesn’t appear to be the case here.
Here is one piece from the state’s case: Merritt called Quickbooks on his own phone posing as Joseph Mcstay to request that they delete the account. This after Chase produced and cashed checks in thousands of dollars made out to himself. This doesn’t come off as legitimate actions of a concerned friend that is missing. Does this mean he murdered the family? No, but when put in the grand totality of so many other things Chase was doing before and after, it’s hard to ignore.
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I never believed it was the father. The crime had sexual predator stamped in red across it. One previously successful blogger blamed one of the guys who helped look for Isabel. He must have sued her because her blog is all but dead.
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Someone needs to write a true crime type of book about this case. All the ins and outs about all the people through the years. Tell about the internet presence this case took with all the blogs and the mud slinging. Correlated with the outcome of the trial and what happens, it would be a very interesting read. This is my opinion but this case is so much more than just a crime story. Just the abuse that Michael McStay took is unbelievable. He is the brother to the deceased and in ways his character was slaughtered also.
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Actually there is something in the works. Sort of in between a book and documentary.
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Corn, the site I saw lists his photo, correct middle initial, former residents in various states, his age, lists he is a widow, and that his current home is Calif. It wasn’t an old entry, it was a page of the RB connected to this case.
Maybe he now has more than one home. Dunno.
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Fallbrook Village News posted an article about the upcoming McStay trial. They had some quotes from Patrick about wanting to see this thing through on behalf of Joe and his family. I posted the GoFundMe link for Patrick to get funds so he can live in CA for the entire time of the trial. I hope people donate locally for him. No matter what kind of back and forth that he may have created, he is the DAD. I hope local Fallbrook people help him out.
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I also contacted CBS 8 and asked them to post a story about the upcoming trial and the link for Patrick’s GoFundMe. Maybe this attempt will get him more funds. People in San Diego were captivated by this story and they love the Joseph and Summer McStay family.
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I want to amend a statement I made regarding what Patrick McStay had made about the trial being televised. It has been brought to my attention that perhaps I read into it a little too much and I want clear it up. Here is his statement in full below which he posted on his FB page Search4McStays with the portion about being televised in bold:
Alright here is what I know. In today’s hearing it was ordered that the defense and prosecution over the next two weeks will summit in writing a list of questions for the jury pool. This will then be reviewed by both sides. From those (I will call questionnaires) the jury pool will be narrowed to a pool that will be ordered to appear on December 3rd or 7th, 2018 for questioning and the jury will be selected from that pool (I hope that’s explained clear enough).
Those chosen for the jury will then be ordered to appear on January 7, 2019 for Opening Statements in the case.
Now many of you have been following and asking about the trial being televised and motions submitted to the court by many (I can’t tell you who all but it was substantial) for the right to televise the trial. Unknown to the public Judge Smith ruled in last Friday’s Hearing (Oct. 26th), he ruled that the hearing today could be filmed but that for each and every hearing the media would have to submit a motion on an individual basis for each hearing.
So now we wait till December to determine the jurors and alternate jurors that will be selected.
This will now give me time to raise the necessary funds for attending the trial. To save expenses and because there is no real reason to attend the jury selection, I will not attend the December Jury Selection. But you can bet I’ll be there for the “Opening Statements.”
So for now, hearings, not the actual trial. But it’s not a stretch of the mind to accept a strong possibility they are petitioning, and may be granted, to film the trial. Fingers crossed.
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Hey Corn, your latest comment showed up in my email but I can’t find it here in this thread.
Thanks so much for the updates! Jury selection and opening statements. We’re finally going to hear the evidence and find some kind of closure.
Fran
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Yes, thanks. I posted it earlier but still needed to edit it. You can view it now above.
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I know that a lot of people read this blog and do not comment. I am wondering how Michael McStay and his mom, Susan are doing with the news of this upcoming trial. Does anyone know? How about Summer’s family?
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Mike has been on the downlow for some time. The last I have seen of him was in the CNN special. My last contact with him was when I found and sent him the video of Chase digging in the desert. I figured he was the quickest conduit to detectives and they should know about and see the video. He left the two FB groups he had and I don’t believe he’s commented there since early 2015. He’s now remarried and assumedly moved on with his life. To me he’s just an ordinary guy thrust into the center of a personal horrific tragedy and prefers his privacy.
Susan has always been closely guarded and I don’t believe she ever commented anywhere other than in the media. I did have the unique opportunity meet her once, very nice lady but understandably a bit reserved.
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I’m just guessing, but I think the media outlets will probably petition the court to livestream it. I hope they do, anyway.
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As we move closer to the trial, some good news to report. It has been brought to my intention that Rick Baker has donated $1000 to Patrick McStay’s Gofundme campaign. This appears to be genuine, but knowing Rick the way we do, I could see him twisting this and using it to his advantage at a later date. Who knows, as they say, truth is stranger than fiction.
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Does anyone believe this passes the smell test?
https://www.sbsun.com/2018/11/29/defense-attorney-claims-another-business-associate-of-joseph-mcstays-was-complicit-in-familys-killings/?fbclid=IwAR3H7BjAAbYhqstd6UjsDGKzXpjhB2HfRQTEsuOQXpJEUWRtzFUB1zynoMs
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I’ll be so relieved when this trial is over
Is it possible that the dna found on objects in the grave was transferred to those objects from whatever container the bodies of S and the boys were transported in? If there was dna in a tote or laundry hamper could it have rubbed off ? I’m curious about fibers paint and possible fingerprints found on tape…
Fran
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When we first heard about the painter’s tape, my first thought was fingerprint preservation. But painter’s tape isn’t like duct tape. It’s very degradable. IIRC, it was found outside the graves? It would make it that more susceptible to the elements. DNA might certainly be there though.
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What was found by the motorcycle rider has never been revealed, hum? Authorities have kept his identity secrect. Di
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Smoke and mirrors is what defense attorneys do. It’s preposterous that Kavanagh killed this family.
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Who ever found those holes (I will not call them graves), I’m an American Indian and that is so disrespectful. The sheriff has kept him quiet. Maybe he saw duct tape on the skulls.
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I don’t the sheriff put a gag order on him, he’s just laying low and out of the spotlight. This type of thing effects people differently. I myself couldn’t imagine coming upon such a discovery. After finding out what was actually there It’s probably not something he wants to discuss. I imagine that the majority of the skeletonized remains were buried. We also don’t know where he found the piece of skull, it could have been several dozen yards away from the graves and he may have not seen it.
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Sounds like Judge Smith will allow cameras in the courtroom.
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Throw enough spaghetti against the wall and hope it sticks. Merritt’s defense team is going to put on a very vigorous defense. They believe in the judicial process, not necessarily the innocence of the client. After hearing the pre trial testimony, (which was just a peek at the District Attorneys evidence “, I think Chase killed this family with money as the motive. Jealously, revenge and financial gain are the three motives for murder. First thing they teach in criminal justice.
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It is my assumption that this other DNA, not from Merritt or Kavanaugh, must not be from any person that has been arrested where their DNA has been put into the system. If someone helped Merritt with this crime, they must not have ever been arrested previously. Does that make sense or am I mistaken?
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Also, I have never heard if this could be true, but maybe Summer had some help with the housework and cleaning. Someone who did some laundry for her. It would be nice to know what other items had this different DNA other then her bra. Was it clothing? Is it the same DNA found on all the other items in both graves? This just brings more questions. Summer was trying to work the real estate market and was home all day with the boys. It is not unreasonable that she might have had someone come into the home once a week for cleaning the home and laundry. Many people do this out here. It can cost $50-$100 per week.
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People that are not from CA probably would not believe it but San Diego County is a sanctuary county. I am not stating this as to be a political statement, it is just our reality. We have numerous illegals living here. They do mainly landscaping and house cleaning chores. They advertise by printing out a business card, one side in English, other side in Spanish, seal it in a baggie with some rocks inside and throw it in our driveways. I have not seen any of this for the past year but it was life in So Cal for years. These people just wanted work. You could also hire men for $10 an hour for house moving or any kind of chores. They would congregate on a corner and you could pull up and hire them to help you. They never asked any questions.
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It’s not evidence if no match is made. Defense will try to make It evidence. Just like they have done in the press. It means nothing in regards to Merritt.
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Cornelius, are you interested in a Podcast?
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I’m no t anonymous. This is Candace. I think it would be a fantastic journey through the trial and afterward. My daughter is a top rated podcasting producer. I brought the idea to her. She is interested. It will require some time in a studio to record. You would have to attend trial and take copious notes. We are thinking a 10 part series. It would be a huge hit.
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Think about it.
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Candace, I sent you an email.
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Since Rick is frequent visitor, I’m posting this to remind him of what a POS he is.
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Oh My! That was nauseating. What a disaster that whole fiasco was. True living, walking insanity.
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Cornelius, with all your involvement with missing people in our country, I would like to know your take on the Kelsey Berreth missing persons case. She was a flight instructor. Would she just desert her child and mom and brother? I do not seem to think so. The fiance is not sitting down with investigators. I have a really bad feeling about this case. The more you read and become familiar with these type of cases, you can pretty much get a feeling about what actually happened. Thanks for all the good work you do regarding missing people in this country. Many on your blog do not know how involved you are with this subject and how you are dedicated to helping others.
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Thanks Mega. I do follow a lot of cases and I’ve loosely followed the woman in Denver. I think we know the probable outcome. There are so many, many more that go unheard of. You have to be young, pretty, white and sometimes even pregnant. There should a weekly show like Unsolved Mysteries or America’s Most Wanted that showcases missing people. I think a lot of people would watch and more people might be saved or cases solved.
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That is really good insight into this problem. Maybe if more of these type of cases were exposed, the perpetrators would think twice about doing this and realizing that they will get caught. All these killers seem to have some delusional idea that they can outsmart LE. Not anymore. LE is very informed these days. Thanks for helping with my boss, Jim. You making all those calls and talking with LE was amazing. I am always grateful for your help with that unsolved case. Even two of his kids commented on your blog and his son called me. Blessings, my friend. Maybe you should take over for John Walsh. I think he is retired now.
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LOL take over for John Walsh? That man has a heart of steel, I don’t know how he does it. I want to add that I don’t think the missing pretty young women don’t matter, of course they do. And they are a targeted for obvious reasons. At least the ones abducted. It shouldn’t matter what your class, race, gender, sexual identity or occupation, they all deserve equal attention. Probably the largest ignored category of missing persons is men. I’ve talked to a popular podcaster about this very thing and she tries to cover missing men as much as women that are missing.
With technology advancing as it has, especially in the last decade, it is becoming increasing difficult for perps to get away with these crimes. There is the recent case of Hania Aguilar who disappeared from Lumberton, NC and later found deceased. Her killer was found through DNA left behind and his was already in the system.
I might be contacting that detective again this weekend about Jim.
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https://www.sbsun.com/2019/01/03/defense-in-mcstay-family-murder-trial-says-dna-swab-taken-from-defendants-brother/?utm_medium=social&utm_content=fb-sbsun&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=facebook.com
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Reporter in court tweet thread.
The search warrant was to obtain a DNA swab from Merritt’s brother Bennett, leading to speculation that prosecutors believe that Bennett had a role in the 2010 slaying of the McStay family in San Diego County.
The attorneys for Charles “Chase” Merritt want the declaration – which lays out the prosecutors’ case – unsealed Friday because the trial is scheduled to begin Monday.
I find the Bennett info interesting as I thought for a long time his motorcycle gangster son knew something or was involved.
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It’s very troubling. This is obviously due to the recent DNA found by the defense. I’ve been saying it was a strong possibility Chase had assistance but the DA contended he acted alone. So what else did they miss? I want everyone involved to be held accounted for.
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Does anyone remember the name of the author who indicated she may write a book about this case?
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Kaytlin Rother I believe. Might be misspelled.
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Yes Caitlin Rother
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Going out on a limb here. They obtained the DNA swab from Bennett. You can’t do that without a warrant. You can’t get a warrant without supporting evidence. The warrant was executed on December 20th, after the results were made known. There’s only one conclusion to be made from this – the DNA sequence came back as someone blood related to Chase.
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Hey guys hope you all are well. Trial live on Dan Abrams crime site. Hope to get back for further discussions!
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Law and Crime is the website. Been waiting years for this. Finally. Looking for RB on Merritts side of the court, havent spotted him.
So far defense very weak.
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Thank you so much shlitze.
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Well the damn live stream is down because the guy had to leave. Harrumph.
The defense presented some interesting views. The fact that eggs and coffee were found on the counter were used to indicate that the murders occurred the following day since attorney claims murder occurred around breakfast. They also claim that Merritts truck was not the one that triggered neighbors security camera. Defense states no blood in home means crime did not occur there. Defense attorney described lack of blood evidence in Merritts truck (did not mention analysis done years later unless I missed it). Claimed cell phone records disputed prosecutions triangulations. Presented testimony indicating 2 separate trucks at grave site. And they played up the best friends bit, so best that they were partners and Merritt was no stranger to Quik Books.
Left plenty out of this brief synopsis and was hoping to hear more testimony this afternoon. It would be great to hear from anyone who attended the trial.
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defense had plenty to say and all of it interesting, the prosecution regurgitated the same stuff as at the prelim was hoping they would have something new or tangible, but no. unfortunately the streaming camera left before we got to watch Malines statements about Dan Kavanaugh and his lies. I hear it was really good tho and will be looking for it online hopefully it is out there somewhere.
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I tuned in after the prosecution did their opening statement but I found the defense’s opening statement somewhat disturbing. I hate what they said about Summer’s death and that whole rape thing. That is so sad. Plus the defense seems to think that Summer and the boys were killed at the grave site. I was not impressed with that first defense attorney and his delivery. He seemed like an amateur to me. Maybe I have watched too many Dateline and 48 hours shows. That guy had a bad delivery. Someone coughing in the courtroom was really annoying and people are going to be sick starting tomorrow. Then the camera guy disappeared after the afternoon break. Can the defense throw Kavanaugh under the bus and still use his real name?
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Hi Mega:
I’m with you on the Summer rape thing. It was very sad to hear the details. I also tuned in after the defense’s opening statement so I missed it. I thought it was going to be on line somewhere but so far I haven’t been able to find anything. Oh well, it doesn’t sound like I missed too much. I’m ecstatic that it’s finally gone to trial, didn’t think this day would ever come.
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Hi Stella:
There’s supposed to be videos on YouTube but so far I haven’t found them. If and when I do I will try to post a link.
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I also did not like that the defense set the whole scenario up like Chase and Joseph both had access to the money from the company. There is no way that is true. Joseph controlled the money from his company. Summer did not even have the passwords for the company’s financials. That is crap. Joseph would never give financial access to the money to some kind of loser like Merrittt.
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Ya, like Joey would allow/ask Merritt to contact QB and change the accounts. I was rolling my eyes and laughing to myself as I listened to that load of crap!
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It makes me wonder if Merritt told his attorneys that’s what happened or if the attorneys suggested it and Merritt went right along with it?
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Merritt’s attorneys are trying to do the spin. He is just going along with it. That is why he never fired these guys. He got rid of all the others over the many years. We are talking maybe the longest multiple murder case to go to trial in the history of the US. Stall and if that does not work, just stall some more.
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Corn you are the BEST! Thank you 🙂
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Just Me: You got that right. Anyone who has followed this crime for so may years, as we have, knows that Joseph was not an ass and stupid. That comment about Chase having access to Joseph’s family’s money is just disgusting. That never happened. After this crime unfolded for so many years, I believe that the only person Joseph trusted with his family and money was his dad.
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Agreed. Merritt was never considered a partner nor was there any mixing of money. The State will hopefully put on witnesses that will testify that Joey’s relationship with Chase was changing in the months leading up to the murders. Things were coming to a head.
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Will anyone be attending the trial tomorrow? I’d love to meet up with my familiar peeps…
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Just Me I would like to attend one day maybe a Monday would be fun how to we get in contact?
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What’s the trial like, Just Me? It sounds like the defense is trying to pin it on Kavanaugh.Wow
Livestream of the Merritt trial:
https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/charles-merritt/watch-live-charles-merritt-trial-for-murder-of-couple-and-children/
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I don’t know why it’s posting the first video. If you right click on the playlist in the top right, you can go to today’s testimony.
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Part of Maline’s opening statement yesterday after the cameraman left. Filmed by Law and Crime’s Cathy Russon. These are pretty stunning accusations. It will be interesting to see if they can prove it. Click on the 10:52 one.
https://www.pscp.tv/courtchatter/1ZkJzknLnZyxv?t=55s
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Hi all, so it’s finally begun. Thanks to everyone posting the info.
Corn, do you plan to make a new 2019 entry for Trial Coverage so it’s more front and center?
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Yes.
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So grateful for your archives Corn, had to review the DK material since it appears he is Merritts scapegoat. DK has not been indicted for anything as far as I know. But my burning question is why did he so freely begin pulling money from EIP so early on during the disappearance? It would seem like like he knew they weren’t coming back. Lucky guess? Prior knowledge? Would we know if he was granted immunity? Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Was watching the live comments which are mainly nitwits and 2 of them claim Baker was in the courtroom. Was his donation to Patrick some sort of apology?
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Mike released that money to DK, and according to DK’s interview the monies was going to “vendors and welders”. But when you boil it down, no one had any business being in the accounts. There was no obligation to complete any orders or finish jobs with the company’s owner missing.
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Yep.
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I can understand why Susan and Mike were really trying to keep everything afloat and everyone happy though. I am sure at the beginning they just could not imagine how it was going to turn out. Those first few months had to be so confusing that they for sure would think the family would reappear. I can’t even imagine the turmoil they were going through
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Baker was not and has not been in the courtroom
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Right. But defense is also insinuating that DK had first dibs on checking account? Around the ninth?
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Yes he was able to get $2k on the 9th, but we don’t know if Joseph may have already approved that before the disappearance. Dan emailed Summer on the 6th for $800 owed to him and this is consistent with what he received approximately at the beginning of each month.
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If I recall correctly, the money was a paypal account. You had to put in a request for it and it did not happen immediately. It took a few days.
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Watching Mike McStay on the stand now and I am not appreciating the tone of the prosecutor’s questions. He seems rude to me. What is the purpose of that?
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I watched a segment after that and this “expert” said it was on purpose to make Mike get fluster and break down to gain sympathy from jurors. I actually saw the prosecutor do it to Mike again after he was cross examined so that was last thing jurors saw. They know he is very emotional and they are playing on that because they are not allowed to use pictures and other things. I feel very sorry for Mike but it is a good strategy. I saw the prosecutor make Mike break down at least 3 times and then again when he was at end of testimony
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Missed todays testimony. Is there an archive of the days testimony?
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Law and Crime that has the trial on the internet during the day said it is on you tube at night. I found this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be1SVB1D02E
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Here is Mike McStay from this afternoon. He will be back on the stand in the AM. Poor guy, it is just grueling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB5-vUMuRvg
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Oh ok thanks Meg. Really want to hear todays testimony!
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Also, “Spoiler Alert” if you did not see Mike today yet. He points out that in the McStay home there was a cupboard that had a sheet of paper with some essential phone numbers for contact. A number on the sheet that was listed happened to be a number for his mom that was infrequently used. Chase had called that number and left a voice mail. It showed that Chase had been in the home before they were declared missing.
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All I can say is wow. That explains that. Never knew how Merritt got her contact.
This trial is the real deal after so many years of debate. Cant wait to hear MMs testimony. Hitting it up now.
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Susan did not want to be on camera for her testimony and Mike did not want to also. The judge allowed for Susan but Mike is on camera. I personally feel that both he and his mom are afraid of Chase and his people. That to me is understandable. Mike is very guarded with his responses to the questions and is no way grand standing and creating any kind of drama. The Law and Crime people said that Taylor is at the trial daily sitting behind the defense but they did not mention about any other family such as Bennett. I wonder how his DNA sample turned out.
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Bennett, two sisters and a cousin were in the Gallery along with Taylor today
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Well he still makes me cringe. Guess it was the donate button. Never liked the guy since. I don’t feel that he had any part in this just think he’s an oddball.
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This is incorrect… They were establishing the events on the day of the 13th When Michael and Chase went into the home…and that they found this list of phone numbers inside a cabinet and they called the one labeled GG, Michael said it he thought it was Blanche, Summers mom, but turned out to be Susan Blake when Michael dialed… It went to voicemail and he had Chase leave the message. This was on the 13th. When they were in the house together.
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I am sorry I misinterpreted that. I did not mean to mislead. Thanks.
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I haven’t finished listening but I did this part. Mike said they may have been in the driveway when Chase made the call. Weird that he would have him call and not himself, unless he was calling other people at the time. He did state that he didn’t remember him being inside the home, just that he opened the sliding glass door for him to come in. Mike seemed to not recall a lot of things though, like about when Merritt left or that he met Chase at the gas station. That last part I would think he would remember.
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Both Susan and Mike had problems remembering things. I can understand not remembering dates after almost nine years, but events and circumstances is unusual. Maybe this is what severe trauma can do to your memory. Maybe it is a natural thing. I do think the prosecutors should have made sure Susan and Mike reviewed the police reports and transcripts that they were involved with before taking the stand. I guess the memory loss could also be due to nervousness contributed to the trial and the whole situation.
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I didn’t know that even the date on the animal control notice was wrong. Geez everything San Diego did was screwed up.
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I’m not so sure yet about San Bernadino either
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watching from New Zealand. you can see how badly this has effected Mike, it was painful to watch the questioning. the issue of whether he actually went to the home on the 4/5th (?) I wonder if he may have said he was just to give more validity to the request of police assistance at the time, how was he too know every word would come back and challanged. I really really hope the defence has something up their sleeve to prove the murders took place in the home, personally I just cant see how.
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Hello New Zealand!!
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I feel the same way about being able to prove Chase is guilty – unless there is some super secret forensic evidence, I don’t know how a jury is going to believe the family was murdered in the home.
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It makes no sense for multiple reasons, one how do you clean the crime scene but leave the house looking a mess. .i don’t believe they were killed in the bathroom either because the child had a bag with him, no reason to take the bag if the child was already gone. Only the child would carry his bag if he thought he was going somewhere 😦
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There is a decent amount of circumstantial evidence that they were killed in the home. Iirc, all the towels in the home were missing with the exception of a small hand towel. The futon cover was missing. The lamp in the upstairs bedroom was knocked over. One of the bathroom rugs was missing. Wasn’t one of the two bathrobes in the master bath missing? Clothes and other items were strewn all over the place upstairs (McGyver thought that was odd). The lamp on Joey’s desk near the window that was left cracked was knocked over. The victims had no shoes on. They had no coats or windbreakers on and it was cool that night. Blue painter’s tape was found in and or near the graves. The sledge hammer had paint that was matched to paint in the home. Then there was the drop of paint that fell horizontally onto her bra.
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The pix of the first responding officer took, on the 15th, of joes office show the lamp upright and turned on. Not knocked over. It makes me wonder how many other erroneous things have been said by baker the blogs, the news, witness statements and police reports
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Here is the first responder talking about the his walk through, around the 10-12 minute marks you will see the only 7 pix he took that day. He also states there was no evidence of a “crime” happening in the home or the garage, after he had to go back in and “sweep” the garage because he forgot the first time (how does that even happen), no blood or bodies and no smells paint or otherwise. so the question is why would homicide then be called? Jackson said it just seemed ‘off’ to him. really? also just my observation here…. does anyone else think it is odd that outdoor play equipment was in the upstairs bedrooms? in one of the pix there is a covered outdoor sandbox and of course the outdoor play houses. Also does anyone think its weird that they all slept in the same room with the play toys? all 4 of them? so strange to me…. it was awful big house to be mostly sequestered into one room. Also as for the lamp in Joe’s office that was upright and on, I think it was discussed in opening remarks.
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I would think that Dan Kavanaugh will take the stand. He will tell how Joey was thinking of firing Chase. Maybe he did fire him and that is why he had the loose key for the storage area in his pocket in the grave. Another thing that points the finger at Chase is that he opened up a bag of dog food in the shed for the dogs. If the family left for a vacation or for a few days, they could have had a dog sitter at the house or tending to the dogs. Chase knew they did not leave. He made sure the dogs had food. This trial is just starting so there has to be a lot more to come. I am not sure if Summer was raped. It might have just been staged to look that way to possibly mislead. Truly, I hope, that was the case. My heart breaks for her.
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Actually what is strange about the keys, going by the pic from opening statements, the two storage or padlock keys are together on one ring with a tag, not separate as where the other keys are not on a ring. So did joseph have them on him with the intention of visiting the storage unit? I couldn’t see him traveling with those all the time.
DK will definitely take the stand. But I see that he will be a very bad witness for the prosecution and the defense will rake him over the coals. We know from the one interview with the reporter that he can be pretty cocky and mouthy, I don’t think it will take much for the defense to set and maybe corner him in several damaging accusations that he won’t be able to explain. I almost want to be there just to see it. It should make for some riveting testimony.
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https://cuttingthebs.wordpress.com/2019/01/11/total-bullshit/
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do you think there is still a possibility that merritt could have taken ahold of Joseph as early as 3?
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No.
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why?
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Because there was a sketch program opened up on Joseph’s computer around the time he should have gotten home.
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so did chase go home and come back to Fallbrook in the evening?
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What?
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You said you no longer believe Chase could have had taken ahold of Joseph as early as 3 because Joseph opened up some sketch program when he should have gotten home. So I’m asking if Chase went home after the lunch meeting and possibly went to the Fallbrook house in the evening?
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You’re asking the wrong person. Ask Chase. Only he knows his whereabouts after his phone went off grid.
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did his phone not ping at the grave site? Why would he have left his phone on if he was there digging graves? If he had it off or something for everything else why leave it on at the grave site, that makes no sense.
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His phone didn’t ping the grave site, nor was this possible. We’ve had this discussion before and I’m sort of done with it.
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hello I’m just reviewing some of the comments on this page and you said Mike released money to Dan Kavanaugh
“Mike released that money to DK, and according to DK’s interview the monies was going to “vendors and welders”. But when you boil it down, no one had any business being in the accounts. There was no obligation to complete any orders or finish jobs with the company’s owner missing”
So Mike released monet to Dan as soon as the 6th? Before anyone knew they were missing?
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No, you’re just the same idiot commenter
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what?
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You take me for a fool. Surely I’m not.
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I asked you question, how do you take that as me thinking you are some fool?
Dan started taking monet as soon as the 6th did he not? So Mike released that?
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Because I know you’re the same poster but you act like you’re new here.
Dan accessed to the money (not “monet”) on the 6th.
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when did I say was new??? I’m just reading all the comments I never really looked at before.
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Because you comment like you’re new here
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OK I’m lost
If his phone didn’t ping at the grave site then why do they say he was up there on the 6th burying bodies?
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HIS PHONE PINGED THE TOWER NEAR THE GRAVES.
Yes, you are lost.
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