78 Minutes

Sticky Fingers, Risky Business 

On February 4, 2010 a family of four mysteriously vanished from their Fallbrook, Ca home. Today is the 6 year anniversary of that incident. It would end with their fatal demise.

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Britt Imes, DA: In comparison to items that were found in or near the graves, was there any indication of paint-type supplies or painting activities consistent in those graves?
Detective Joseph Steers: Yes. There was blue painter’s tape in the graves, in a white shop towel. There was paint on Summer McStay’s brassiere. And paint on the sledgehammer.
Preliminary Hearing,  pg 48

 

Most suspect that Chase Merritt, who is charged with the murder of Joseph McStay, his wife Summer and children Gianni and Joseph, jr., packed their bodies into the back of his Chevy truck and rolled away into the night on February 4, 2010. Some time between that night and the 7th, he buried the family in two graves in the sprawling desert of the Mojave.

Or that is the contention.

Logistically, it’s a very fine line to pull this off. Let’s review parts of the timeline and facts that we know.

On February 4 Joseph McStay – while in Fallbrook – placed a phone call to Chase Merritt at 5:47. The call lasts 2 1/2 minutes. What is very telling is Merritt’s phone was turned off or disabled at 5:48. What happened at that moment? Did Chase simply hang up on Joseph leaving him to continue talking to dead air for over 2 minutes? Why would he do that?

The next activity we have is a vehicle – not the McStay Trooper – caught on camera, backing, or pulling out of the family’s driveway at 7:47.

It is supposed that Chase drove to the Fallbrook home at 5:48 and brutally murdered the family with a sledgehammer. Drive time for that time of day, a Thursday, to be roughly 1:20-1:25 minutes. Assuming he didn’t stop for  gas, this puts Chase at the home at around 7:15. This leaves 32 minutes.

Between 7:59 and 8:05 there is activity on Joseph’s desktop. A check is created for “chase merritt” for $4,000 and then deleted.

Sometime after this it is believed Merritt departed with the family. The one problem with a 8:05 departure is Joseph’s cell phone calling Merritt’s phone at 8:28. It pinged in Fallbrook. So this gives a broader timeline for Chase Merritt to murder and clean up.

So he had maybe more like 78 minutes, at least.

And paint though? I don’t think it’s possible.

Going back to the items coved in the graves, there was blue painter’s tape in a shop towel with Summer McStay. There was also paint on her bra.

Remember, there were two separate graves, one with Joseph and Gianni (grave A), the other with Summer and Joseph jr. (grave B). Two sets of tire tracks. The tracks to grave B measured a little wider than the other. It is believed as suggested in the preliminary hearing that this was do to muddier conditions. Meaning, made at two different times, possibly days apart.

Here is a video of flooding in Victorville, where the family was buried. This is more than likely from a storm that went through the area on January 20.

 

Could Chase have put all four bodies in his truck at once? Would he risk it?

Entirely plausible. But I want to explore some other possibilities.

First let’s take a look at Merritt’s truck. He owned a 1999 Chevy 3500 utility truck. Here is Michael McStay describing it at the 1:00 mark.

 

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1999 Chevy 3500 (Not Merritt’s actual truck).

 

Chase Merritt's truck

Merritt’s truck.

Considering most people’s work truck is not devoid of “stuff” like we see in the above picture, it doesn’t leave a lot of room to work with in an already limited truck-bed space.

Joseph was probably killed in one of the downstairs rooms. Considering his injuries, if it was the kitchen or living room, blood would be literally everywhere. Floor, walls, ceiling, cabinets, etc.

We can assume, because of the contents found with the children (bath towels), that Summer and the boys were killed in or near the upstairs bathroom. Again, floor, walls, ceiling, cabinets and possibly the adjacent closet would be littered with blood splatter. Of course, there is also the bright white robe in the center of the bathroom, obviously clear splatter of any kind.

There is the absence of bed sheets or blankets on the beds. They’re not in the items listed collected from the house. Were they bloodied and disposed together with the missing towels, purse and phones? Where and when did he do this? I’m of the impression that there may be more to these missing items and could be part of a larger conspiracy.

I have stated in the past that the murders were probably quick. However, I feel the opposite now. I think the murders were maybe more drawn out.

If Merritt wanted to get away with murder, he would not rush feverishly through 78 minutes bludgeoning four people, thoroughly cleaning floors and walls and then to effectively paint. If Merritt did rush through all of this, there would have probably been a lot of gleaming evidence left behind that he would overlook. This is pretty common in these types of crimes.

I believe that Joseph was the first to be attacked but the last to die. Considering the blows to his head he may have been first attacked from behind, with Joseph having no idea what was about to occur.

TrueCrime had an interesting take on how things may have happened

Chase arrives at the McStay home parking his truck close by. He rings the doorbell Joseph is
expecting him. Small talk is made and Chase opens the sliding glass door to the back yard and lets out the dogs without anyone noticing. Joseph and Chase go into the office to conduct business. Chase stand behind Joseph and quickly removes a hammer that he has concealed in his jacket and with one hard swing knocks Joseph out with the hammer or possibly killing him. He doesn’t have time to check if Joseph is still alive ties him up with electrical cord in case he regains consciousness. Chase quickly approaches Summer and bludgeons her with the hammer. He finally returns to kill the children. It was all over very fast.
The following is a loose-knit timeline that I have developed based on things we know thus far.
After Joseph, the killer goes for Summer. He cautiously makes his way upstairs to the master bathroom/bedroom. She suffered multiple facial and frontal fractures, probably because she met him head-on to protect her babies. The children are murdered at this point as well, in the bathroom, with Merritt closing the door behind him so no one escapes. It would be a very brutal scene.
Merritt  makes his way back downstairs to Joseph.
There is something crucial to point out regarding TrueCrime’s theory, Joseph was not tied up with the electrical cord. They may have concluded this before the preliminary, I don’t know. But the cord was found to be around Joseph’s neck, tied in a knot.
I will touch on that tidbit further down, because, it is important.
So, back to that blue tape. As I said, I don’t think Chase Merritt had time to paint on the night of the 4th. There is just no way when you consider the logistics of it all. You have to consider as well, Merritt – or the killer – is not thinking rationally. Or, being calm, cool and collected.  He is probably completely unraveling. And frantic. Some real shit just went down.
Merritt only takes Joseph and Gianni at this point, leaving Summer and Joseph, jr behind. It’s 8:30ish (Joseph’s phone call at 8:28) and he thinks he can drop the bodies off at another location and then come back in a bit. Merritt’s phone next pings in Mira Loma at 9:32. Drive time for that time of day is 62 minutes.
Sometime on the 5th Chase returns to retrieve the bodies left behind. It is daytime, he can see a lot better. He cleans up anything he missed before and paints over the areas that there was blood splatter. Chase not a stranger to painting, he tapes off the bathroom trim and paints the entire walls. Remember, Summer’s bra had a drip of paint on it consistent with her lying on her side catching the drip or cast-off. Like, she was right there laying dead with the perp painting. Unless Summer painted half naked but I seriously doubt it.
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Upstairs bathroom. Notice the single robe mentioned in the Preliminary.
Mcstay Bathroom
Secondary upstairs bathroom. Supposedly where a soiled diaper was found. Could this be part of the murder scene?

Q Was there something unique about the paint on the
brassiere?
A Yes, it was horizontal across the brassiere, consistent
with either Summer McStay painting sideways, lying sideways, or
incapacitated, or a drip falling on her brassiere.

Preliminary Hearing, pg 48-49

The painter – Chase – removes the tape, couples it together with a shop towel and the tape. This is how I believe the tape ended up in the grave with Summer. Like I said, I can’t accept painting was done on Feb 4.
After painting was done, Merritt discreetly loads the bodies of Summer and Joseph, jr. into his truck. He stores them somewhere, maybe leaving them in his truck at the warehouse and he used another vehicle to go home.
The next day, Feb 6, Merritt heads out early. He gets the truck/bodies and heads to Victorville. It is where he buried the others. He wants to bury them together, either out of some strange honor to Joseph or because he has familiarity with the location now. He wasn’t discovered before. It is rainy and the wash is muddied now. Difficult to navigate and see. Chase almost misses the spot. He locates it and backs in. Once the bodies are buried, Merritt goes to leave and he discovers it is too muddy. He is stuck. If you look at the tracks to Grave B, you can see the deep ruts left behind. He manages to get out. Somehow.
Merritt, back on interstate 15, being confidant that the deal was done, turns his phone back on and starts making phone calls.
 Joseph McStay was found in the grave wrapped in, what is believed to be, the missing futon cover from the home. Around the cover was 1 or 2 red ratcheting straps. Why didn’t Summer McStay have similar bindings? Why bind up a dead person to begin with?
Was Joseph still alive or being kept alive for a purpose?
One of the more curious items found with Joseph was what has been described as an extension cord. A cord with only the male end cut off. The placement of this cord is also baffling. It was around Joseph’s neck, tied in a knot.
Something has been bugging me about these very details since they had been released. So, like my earlier point, why tie an extension cord, in a knot, around a dead persons neck. And the male end is missing. Why?
One of the items found in grave with Summer was a female end of an extension cord. Where’s the rest of the cord? Why just the end??
Maybe the reports have their wires crossed (no pun intended) and what was found with Joseph was a cord missing the female end? Could two reports or accounts be wrong?
A possible disturbing thought is, they (at least Joseph) may have been tortured through electrocution. I know, it’s an extreme departure from what we know. But let it settle in a bit. Look at what we do know. The cord was around his neck, in a knot. An end, male or female, was found in a grave 20 feet away, buried at a different time.
Where are the phones and Summer’s purse? Why bury a cord end, a child’s backpack and yet not these other items? Detective Steers also testified in the hearing that the Fallbrook home was completely devoid of any towels. What happened to all the towels?
 Is there a third burial site after all?

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    • Maybe merritt used towels to wipe up blood,then he hid them somewhere.merritt I feel still had to have an accomplice of some sort.not saying he couldn’t commit this crime on his own,it just seems tough for one person to commit this,just saying.always suspected daniel Kavanaugh was also involved somehow

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      • Steve,
        After all these years and investigations done by the various agencies, if Kavanaugh was complicit I’m certain it would have been discovered and he’d be sitting next to Merritt in jail awaiting trial. I think there’s a possibility of an unknowing participant with regard to the moving of the Trooper but as far as the murders themselves I think Merritt acted alone. It would be extremely difficult to convince another person to bash in the heads of small children and Merritt is the only person who benefitted from the McStays deaths.

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  1. I have a thought about the bathroom murder scenario: Joey’s robe was hanging on the wall and is photographed there by LE. There is obviously no blood spatter on the robe. He could have cleaned the walls. Did he have the foresight to wash the robe and replace it back up on the wall? Could the murders have taken place in the bathtub creating less spatter? Certainly the children could have been murdered in the bath tub. But of course the tub would have had to be empty in that scenario because he bludgeoned the children. If Summer were giving them a bath all he would need to do would be to drown them. Perhaps she had finished giving them a bath and was drying them off, or maybe Gianni was downstairs and tried to protect his dad, with Joey Jr. being in the bathroom with Summer. Wasn’t there a pajama found with a diaper in it in the bathroom?

    I suppose it is possible Summer heard the commotion and ran downstairs and was confronted with the sledgehammer by the kitchen area.

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  2. I’d also like to try to clarify if the vehicle caught on surveillance backed out of the driveway, or if drove out. If it backed out, that presents a problem in loading the bodies into the truck.

    “The way we excluded the McStays’ Isuzu Trooper as being
    7 the vehicle leaving is, on video surveillance if you pause it,
    8 at the rear portion of the vehicle you can see a muffler. When
    9 the brake lights illuminate it, it backlights a muffler that
    10 would be on the passenger side of the vehicle. The McStays’
    11 Isuzu Trooper’s exhaust pipe is actually on the driver’s side of
    12 the vehicle…”

    “Were there any other distinctions that led you to that
    15 opinion?
    16 A In some of the video comparison you can see lighting that
    17 shines off of a particular marker on the front bumper of the
    18 vehicle leaving the scene, as well as there’s also inside marker
    19 lights on the passenger side rear portion of the vehicle leaving
    20 the house.”

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    • “If you’re
      10 standing at the McStays’, what was previously the McStays’ door,
      11 across the street, and it would be kitty-corner to the left,
      12 there was a neighbor there that had video surveillance affixed
      13 to her residence.”

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    • Look at it this way. The truck is backed in the driveway. When it leaves the camera picks up the front passenger side (turning left to drive away) as it would with the camera across the street facing Joseph’s house. The complete side of the truck would be seen as described from the bottom half of the truck. As it pulls away the entire passenger side is seen and that was when the marker lights were noticed by le. Then as the truck drives on the rear of the truck is seen by the camera. The rear lights, marker light and the tailpipe are now seen with the lights on and the taillights lit showing the rear of the truck including the tailpipe on the passenger side being visible. All this is very possible if not what was actually viewed by le from the video. Remember no one really know but those that have actually seen the video and that is only le as we know at this time.

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  3. I think Summer and the boys were all forced downstairs and murdered in the bathroom.
    I think Merritt only went upstairs to rifle through the closets after the downstairs was cleaned up.

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  4. I have some problems with them being left in the home on the evening of the 4th and then returning to collect the bodies on the 5th:

    1. The scent would have been strong enough for the cadaver dogs to hit on (although if he spread dirty diapers around the home etc., could that have concealed the scent?)
    2. On the 5th Chase first goes to Santa Clarita, then back to Rancho Cucamonga to do all of the check fraud, then his phone is off from 3:45 ish to 9:45 ish.
    3. I have trouble visioning him leaving the bodies there, doing all his errands, and then returning to Fallbrook on the evening of the 5th to collect bodies, saving the body removal as his last task that day. I think that’s a lot riskier than taking them on the evening of the 4th. The first thing, if that is his plan is for the bodies not to be found ever, would be to get them out of the home.
    5. What was the Santa Clarita trip for? I think he’s scouting for burial locations, and up in the moutains there he may also have disposed of cell phones, purse, towels, etc.

    I think on the evening of the 5th he may have done extensive cleaning. Just some food for thought.

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    • It seems everyone forgets the cadaver dogs were never taken inside the house! They were only taken into the side yard through the gate and then into the backyard. That is what Det Dugal said and it was discussed numerous times including, Patrick said that is what Dugal told him. So the dogs wouldn’t alert to the smell unless they had been taken into the house.

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    • I believe it’s still possible that Joseph was murdered earlier and never made it home. I also think the material used to wrap the fountains for shipping is what was used on Joseph. All that material and red tie down’s are seen in the video and pictures of Chase’s shop. Chase would then have the keys to the house and Joseph’s phone. He left Joseph’s body in RC. He drove to the house and had his cell off and he did the texting with Summer, although she didn’t know it was Chase. He then later used Joseph’s cell to make the call for his alibi. He left Summer and the little one in the house (or took them with him). I agree he went back the next day to clean up knowing no one would know anything yet.

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      • So perhaps the 5:47 call (approx. 2-3 mins) could have been picked up by voicemail, or even Cathy Jarvis. I never considered that possibility because Chase’s phone was on at 5:47 when the call came in from Joseph’s phone pinging in Fallbrook and RC respectively, IIRC? Would it ping if a voicemail is left, even if the phone is turned off?

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          • But that can’t explain the 9:32 phone call that Chase made on his way back from Fallbrook.

            Chase had to have been in RC at the time the 5:47 call was received on his phone – because Chase had it with him when he turned it back on at 9:32. So someone other than Chase had to have made that 5:47 call from Fallbrook using Joey’s phone.

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      • If Joseph was killed in RC, how did Chase’s phone ping in RC while JM’s pinged in Fallbrook at 5:47?

        And how did JM come to wrapped in the Futon cover? I thought he might had been killed and kept in the warehouse as well until the Prelim.

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        • Very Simple, someone had his phone or he left it somewhere in RC. I also believe the FBI Agent explanation of the cell phone calls and pings in the prelim explains how some of this occurred. An example was the explanation of how the calls are records and register even if the phone is off. I AIRC some of it was explained by the airplane mode and tower examples. We all need to reread the prelim transcript testimony abut the cell phones. I think some of this will be explained and I’m going back to read them as well.

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        • Why do some posts require a password?

          What do I need to do to get the password?

          This is the ONLY site I can find that has lots of factual info and respectful discussions. Thanks!!!

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      • What convinces me the family were all present in the home was how they were dressed/undressed in the moment when the crime occurred. If I recall correctly, the family was found in shorts/tshirt/bathrobe/underwear, no socks or shoes. Not outdoor clothing for cold February nights. Items usually found in a bathroom like towels were discovered too. I doubt the perp did any kind of altering of dress of the victims; it wouldn’t make sense. Makes more sense he wanted to get the deed done, was an evil master of these poor victims’ fate, and get out of there. Pray for a strong jury, and strength for the victims families, who have to hear this story unfold at trial, pretty awful. RIP McStay family

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    • If CM would have been there on Feb. 4th (day the family went missing) more then once, wouldn’t the neighbors security camera’s pick that up as well? Just as it did that night.

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  5. Rest in everlasting sweet paradise, precious family! You suffer no more. I am so sorry evil in the world stole you away from those who love you. Anniversaries are hard for survivors because it’s easy to fall into despair. I try to remember my loved ones taken from me in gratitude; it’s weird-surreal, not gonna lie. But perspective through a lens of gratitude can bring peace while waiting for justice. Justice is the true road to peace and freedom in these circumstances for families of murder victims. The reckoning bring balance to life again – not that life is ever the same but it’s a release of tension you’re not even aware of until the verdict of GUILTY is spoken and sentence imposed. So I think of blessings: I am grateful the family was found even under these horrible circumstances because not knowing is worse; I am grateful for SBCSD and the dedicated hard work investigating this case that identified the suspect now awaiting trial; I am grateful for the citizen sleuths (obviously NOT RB, et al, and those still looking for the McStays in Mexico) who actually provided SBC with plausible scenarios as to what may have happened, ie, Gray Hughes animated overlay videos at the desert gravesite; and I am grateful for the people who care about seeing justice through for this family. Justice for the McStays is justice for us innocent peace-living people too. Bring on that speedy trial! May peace be with you all

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  6. Corn, I think you’re onto something with the painters tape pointing to the possibility of two different burial times.
    I don’t know what to make of the electrical wire. If Joey had been tortured for information then surely Merritt would have had all passwords? IDK.

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    • Something else to add. Taping off can be a tedious thing that also takes time. And wouldn’t he also paint the trim?

      But one would have to clean the walls of blood first. Could one simply paint over it? I suppose so however it would have to be completely dry. The same goes for cleaning, the walls would have be dry to paint.

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      • You can have blunt force trauma head wounds I.e. sledge hammer WITHOUT blood. # Jon Benet Ramsey. I’m sure he’s killed before. His stepchildren saw him abuse and kill animals. Sociopaths DON’T feel a thing . They get a HIGH from killing.

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        • Step children?? Who were his step children I didnt even know he had step kids. Wasnt he with Cathy and his 3 kids? Where is the proof he killed animals and abused these so called step children? What kind of abuse, physical or sexual?

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          • There’s been some speculation they aren’t all his kids. Someone who knew and lived with Chase made some comments on an article after his arrest and said he abused animals and actually witnessed it.

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    • During the preliminary it was stated that the paint on Sm’s bra matched the paint on the sledgehammer. Both were off-white in colour. It was also stated that the McStay were painting the walls of the house a tan or brownish colour and the kitchen cabinets were being painted an off-white colour.

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      • They only mention the kitchen cabinets being off-white. Did Merritt paint the cabinets as part of the staging and clean up?
        If Sm had been attacked while painting there would probably be blood over the paint on her bra? Or would the blood have disappeared/decomposed in the grave over time?
        I feel so ignorant. Always more questions than answers.

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  7. I appreciate all the comments and researching everyone has been doing and will continue to follow along. Admittedly the details that are being discussed are really hard for me to think about, let alone talk about. My mind starts going crazy picturing the boys and next thing I know it’s 3:00 am and I’m wide awake.

    Keep up the great discussion and know that I’m lurking. 🙂

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  8. During the preliminary one of the officers who interviewed Merritt stated that Chase said that the drive from RC to Fall rook only took him an hour. So he may have arrived at the house closed to 7pm. Also, it might have taken him slightly less time on the return drive north to Mira Lola. Speeding may have given an extra half hour of time.

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  9. It never ceases to amaze me that after 6 years and these people who repeatedly comment about this case and act as if they know the case, all repeat mistake after mistake and they wonder why people question there knowledge of the facts.

    Just another no nothing claiming to know the facts:

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    Dave IJ

    February 4, 2016

    11:41 pm

    Reply

    The 10th is when Mike went through the window, and it was the 13th that Dugal found out about the Trooper being at the impound lot
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    The reason I point this out is this person is one of the few who post repeatedly on another blog and they all get more facts wrong than they get right.

    Mike went through the window on Saturday the 13th not the 10th which was a Wednesday. Dugal found the Trooper in San Ysidro from a bolo he put out at the house on Monday the 15th not the 13th as again the 13th was Saturday.

    I have seen this same person comment that they don’t go back and check facts or they saw it but can’t find it now. So why not just shut up if you don’t know the facts or can’t find the truth or they are to lazy to find the real facts. It gets old and so do the excuses they make.

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    • I’ve seen some of the mistakes made by that poster as well. When I see mistakes I try to keep in mind that this is a very convoluted case with alot of details. I also keep in mind that we believed things to be a certain way for years then once the prelim happened many things changed. It’s not easy keeping up with the details but it is important to fact check if you’re not sure. And when all else fails, you can be sure that one of the other posters will point out the incorrect information and beat you about the head. Lol

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    • I hear ya. What drives me crazy are the people who say RB book is more accurate than under oath testimony presented at prelim. I think there’s no way those people will believe anyone who contradicts Rick’s lies even at trial.

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  10. C – interesting perspective for sure. I picture Joseph in a struggle at some point with Merritt due to the injuries consistent with defense & fighting for your life (broken shin leg bone & broken ribs). If the head injuries occurred first there would have been no need to break his leg or ribs. You’re not getting up with the base of your skull crushed (may have caused separation from the spinal code) and other skull fractures. Clearly those were the fatal wounds. I think Joseph tried to save himself and his family, but with only seconds to react, was overpowered and disabled quickly. Broken leg to keep him from standing/running and broken ribs to knock the wind out of him and keep him from shouting. I think Joseph was the first to go:( And fatal central nervous system injuries are not always quick or silent. I’m going to be very vague on purpose and it’s very hard to even think about. Sometimes you hear the sounds and sufferings of someone in the active phase of dying from a fatal head injury. It’s not something the victim can control and it’s the mind/body’s way of dealing with the sudden shock and trauma to systems. And it can be loud. I had forgotten about the cord found around Joseph’s neck. Perhaps it was meant to torture Joseph but that would take time and focus away from the other victims – time the perp doesn’t have – and cause alarm among other family members who could have used those extra life-saving seconds to escape outside and get help. I think the last act against Joseph was to strangle him so that the sounds of active dying would cease. That’s where my crappy experience with this type of evil leads me to believe, I’m so very sorry:(

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    • THE ELECTRICAL CORD~
      I believe Merritt tied the cord and knotted it around Joseph’s neck to make it easier to drag or move his body. I just read an article where a policeman tied a rope around a dead man’s neck to remove his body from a river. It would also be easier to use that cord to maneuver Joseph’s body and also lift his corpse into the truck. No other function, no torture, no strangulation; a pragmatic move nothing more. Merritt has done lots of construction and there’s lots of tricks to make things easier to move. He also would be able to paint very quickly.

      BLEACH CLAIM~
      They say “it couldn’t have happened in the house because no bleach smell.” But that may be how inexperienced people attempt to clean blood. But the fact is that bleach cleans mold, but not blood. Hydrogen peroxide cleans blood, Merritt would know this from his experience in painting and construction. In fact, I learned that from a painter, and a nurse. Hydrogen peroxide literally eats the blood. It is the easiest thing to use to get old blood stains out of clothes, bleach doesn’t work.

      THE DUVET COVER~
      Another trick to drag corpses along the floor without leaving blood smears and drag marks. It also helps carry heavy things when you’re alone and have no help. I have personally used this trick to move furniture and heavy items along my floor in my own house. One was an antique safe that weighed a lot I hoisted it onto a blanket and simply pulled it along the floor and carpet too. We used this method to move my amplifiers and other heavy music equipment too.

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  11. Merritt killed all of them in the home. He tortured Joey until he gave up passwords. Merritt did this for financial gain. My opinion.

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  12. I appreciate everyone’s opinion but I don’t think there was any torture. I’ve always thought Joey answered the door and Merritt attacked and incapacitated him. He then when upstairs where Summer and the boys were in the bathroom either in the middle of bathing or finishing up. I think the cord around Joey’s neck was used to either help get him into the truck, drag him out of the truck into the grave or both.

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    • I hadn’t considered the garrote as a mode of transport but that makes sense, too. I’m not feeling the torture angle. Merritt wouldn’t need to torture to get access to financial accounts – he’d already hacked them and allegedly was making withdrawals and stealing from Joseph days before the murders. Those fraudulent transactions are believed to be the catalyst for the murders. Merritt considered Joseph his ‘best friend’. Joseph had been very generous toward Merritt. In Merritt’s twisted evil mind he probably justified the homicides as a part of doing business and when Joseph didn’t die quickly enough and his suffering audible, strangled him, out of ‘mercy’. To silence Joseph forever. Sick fuck Merritt needs to return to the Hell from which he spawned.

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    • Since the sledgehammer (“main weapon” according to the DA), was a weapon of opportunity, which he likely grabbed before attacking Joseph. Where was that sledgehammer? Maybe it was somehow being used in the remodeling area. I think he would have gotten into the home on some pretense with enough time to grab the sledgehammer and probably catch Joseph by surprise. Also, with the cord under the futon cover that indicates to me it was not put there to drag Joseph. We can only speculate, but it’s possible it was also tied around the wrists at that time?

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      • I think Merritt went to McStay residence during the eve of Feb 4 2010 with premeditated intent to murder them all. I don’t believe this is a crime of passion. However I do believe whatever was said between Joseph and Merritt during their meeting earlier the same day had everything to do with Merritt’s decisions thereafter. If the sledgehammer was not brought by Merritt then I believe he knew where it would be located in the residence. I think Merritt decided the family had to die on Feb 4th after his meetup with Joseph. Not because Merritt needed to obtain passwords for the bank accounts but to keep Joseph from changing those passwords or taking action to block his access – because he’d already accessed and withdrawn from the business accounts – and Joseph had most likely discovered the theft.

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      • The records show the electrical cord was still around Joseph’s neck (what used to be his neck) and the futon cover over his body. The cord wasn’t just lying around by itself, it had been around his neck. Electrical cords often used as rope when rope isn’t around. It’s strong and easier to hold a knot in many cases.

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    • Yes, the cord (or even a rope) is sometimes used to move corpses when no one is around to help. Merritt being a construction worker would be familiar with tying rope around things — like lumber, logs, etc. to make it easier to carry or move. My roommate, an electrician did a lot of construction and painting and he is the one that showed me how to keep old cords, cut off the end and use as rope. I did this to make a quick clothesline!

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  13. From twitter:
    Rick Baker ‏@rickgbaker
    3 yr anniv. of NO GOODBYES. Mixed emotions about writing it. Many wrong predictions. What comes out next makes NG look like D Suess #McStay


    Only hour predictions were wrong? More outrageous lies on the way? Just go away creep.

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    • Oh good God! I can’t imagine what he’s up to. One thing is clear though, regardless of what he posted on his blog he has every intention of putting bits and pieces of information out there via twitter or his site. I think Merritt brought ass-hat back in an effort to garner attention in the hopes of cleaning up his reputation and getting some supporters. Maybe Baker is Merritt’s new PR firm. LMAO!!

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        • I think Baker is just trying to get himself called as a witness in order to be able to claim credibility in the case. Then he can blog about his being a witness and testifying in the trial so he can claim it as proof of being an expert in the case. I think he wants to use this as his claim to fame and credibility for a new book and interviews from the with the media. I wouldn’t be surprises if he even thought he could get a movie deal out of this. Lord knows he’s sick enough in the head. In his mind he is the only real expert on all subjects. He is a narcissist and has to have that recognition, he thrives on it. He’s like a junky needing a fix.

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  14. Sorry to harp on this but there are so many people who don’t bother or care if the facts or evidence they use are true or not. So they just say anything and don’t bother to look for the truth or fact check. Then they are one of the first to complain about others being wrong or that they know nothing and shouldn’t be believed. They claim others are liars and they act as if they know it all (we seen that hundreds of times in this case). I commented above about this “Dave IJ” commenting and having the information wrong. Now they post they are right but show no proof or any link to back their claims up. They said Mike went through the window on the 10th and the Trooper was found to be at the border on the 13th. Still wrong as the attached link and information prove this no nothing to be totally wrong and uncaring about the truth and real facts. That blog is full of incorrect and totally bad information but no one is held accountable and they aren’t corrected so they just continue with lie after lie and no proof or real checking done. Sound familiar?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McStay_family_murder

    McStay family murder
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This article is outdated. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information. (April 2015

    Over the next several days, the McStays’ family and friends unsuccessfully tried to contact them. On February 13, Joseph’s brother, Mike, climbed into an open window at the home. He did not find his brother’s family, and their two dogs were unfed in the backyard. Police were notified two days later of the family’s disappearance.

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    • I just saw that this Dave IJ has been correct. However this person (Dave IJ ) still acts as if it’s no big deal when all they had to do was check before they open their mouth, but that might take a little work and that’s more than they want to do. Well what else ha this person gotten wrong or just imagined, guess it doesn’t matter though to some on other blogs whether they are given correct and factual information as long as it’s a juicy remark or comment they can add too.

      JUST LOOK AND MAKE LINKS REQUIRES WHEN STATING SO CALLED FACTS OR THE BLOG OWNER SHOULD DELETE THE COMMENTS

      This blog is far more accurate and more people here call out the lies and incorrect while showing the proof of the posters being wrong. More people need to speak up and maybe we wouldn’t have all these people who are on theses sites for fun and games.

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  15. Don’t mean to change the subject but here is another one of those know nothing people on another blog trying to throw people off the real facts.

    Madison

    February 6, 2016

    5:05 pm

    Reply

    I remember, Summer’s aunt said that she saw the futon cover being thrown into trash by Susan.

    Now I ask you has anyone every read or heard this in the entire last 6 years? I know I haven’t ever heard or read any such thing in any article, tv news report, tv special or radio interviews anywhere. Heck I’ve never even hear the old so called expert who wrote a book saying thing like this or anything close to this garbage. Just another CM supporter trying to muddy the facts and make up more stories.

    I was just reading over on this other blog and they are making up more lies and posting incorrect things they call facts and it’s just outrageous the way they twist the facts, state the wrong dates and try to make facts mean something other than what they mean. Like why would the writer of the checks back date the checks to the 4th or before the family was murdered. How dumb are these people? Hos about he wanted people to believe the checks were written by Joey and not Chase as they were. These idiots said that if the checks had simply been dated after the 4th, then it would be better for Chase and look like Joey was still alive after the 4th. It’s the “they went to Mexico” junk all over again. Next it will be the drug dealers made Chase write the checks to pay them. Then maybe it will be that the casino people made Joey write the checks to pay Chase’s debts or to give Chase money to lose at their casino’s. Wow what morons.

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    • How does a vase magically turn into a futon cover? Obviously this is not someone who has spent a lot of time on such things discussed. Yet they are hailed as such. Furthermore, Summer’s aunt never witnessed ANYTHING, it was supposed that it was Summer’s mother who witnessed stuff being thrown away, which is really open to conjecture.

      Rob, you’re right. That guy is an idiot.

      Many of Summer’s relative’s (not to disrespect the family) have some mixed and biased recollections. They see some things in a different light or perspective. And that’s ok. Sometimes, it’s not. I remember not too long ago, a relative of Summer publicly accused Joseph’s brother for stealing and selling Joseph’s surfboards based on a picture of Michael in a surfboard shop. I hate to say it but this is exactly the manipulation that the public loves to feed on. When a family member posts such erroneous information and opinion, it kind of clouds or steers public perception of things.

      Rick used this type of perception to his advantage. Even much later with his postings of Patrick’s emails and thoughts. So we can see now, the game of Telephone being played again.

      Thank God for transcripts. Bring on the trial.

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      • For sure! Bring it on! The court scripts indicate it’s gonna amp up as early as April 2016 and maybe trial in August? YES! Merritt makin’ that Buffalo Stance only sends him straight to the death house, so just keep on doin’ you, dirtbag!

        There’s always going to be conspiracy dumbass theorists out there, i.e., people looking for the second shooter in the grassy knoll and Prez Kennedy has been dead for 52-plus years. Those types don’t care about facts. They care about salacious inflammatory speculations and injecting lies into their stories to create a sensational fiction crime scenario. They don’t care if victims are real people with suffering families and don’t care if hateful spew contributes more anguish toward the already-hurting – and innocent! – family members. The good news is those who are the real deal within the SBC criminal justice system know what time it is. And it’s time for an evil dangerous baby killer to burn in Hell.

        So yes indeed, thank God for the transcripts. Bring on the trial!

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      • I think there is a fact list/timeline on the S4M’s FB page.

        One question I’ve heard different variations of is who was the first person that called LE. Tell me if I’m wrong, but was it in fact Dan Kavanaugh who first called LE? I’ve also heard or read reports where Merritt claimed he called LE first:

        Kavanaugh called LE on the (9th?) and they came by to do a check on the house but they didn’t go in because everything was locked up and seemed ok.

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    • Keep in mind that the people who post and believe erroneous information are the same ones who follow ass-hat and hang on his every word. Baker has been wrong more times than he’s been right yet they think if he says it then it must be fact. These are also the same people who won’t be satisfied with anything other than Mikey being convicted of something, regardless of the evidence.

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  16. Here’s something I haven’t read before. I’ve gone over the transcripts a few times and don’t recall torture being talked about.

    What do you guys think?

    “Sheriff’s detectives testified in court that, given the extent of injuries inflicted on the McStay family, they believe the victims were tortured before they died, beaten repeatedly in the head, legs, arms and torso.”

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    • Fran,

      I’ve read the transcripts and attended the prelim and don’t remember that either. The only one who sustained anything other than head injuries was Joey. I like Joe Nelson as a reporter but this is how rumors get started.

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    • I don’t recall anything about defense injuries to victims other than Joseph. Gives me pause, tho, because you would expect to see defensive injuries evidence on victims in such an up-close-and-personal assault as death by sledgehammer. What’s the first thing you do when someone comes for your face/head – 1) run and get away from attack; 2) put your arms up to protect yourself; 3) attack the attacker fighting for your life. Survival reflex – right?

      We’ll never know details of soft-tissue wounds because that evidence was long gone before discovery. But no broken arms, hands, or other bone injuries that would be consistent with a struggle; only Joseph suffered the broken leg and ribs. Leads me to believe Merritt was able to attack Summer and her children completely by surprise and in a superior physical position to take them down before they could even defend themselves. I think it took Joseph longer to die than the others given the injuries and the cord around his neck and I believe Joseph definitely fought back but lost:(

      Totally speculating here but Merritt could have attacked Joseph in one room while Summer was bathing her children in a bathroom. You can’t hear anything in a bathroom with toddlers playing in running water other than what’s in the room itself. I’ve bathed little kids and can’t hear the phone ring in the next room or anyone shouting from another room. The science of reflective sound surfaces (tile, glass) cause echo and all you hear is what’s in your immediate space. So Joseph is fatally injured somewhere in the home, doesn’t die right away, but disabled and not a threat to Merritt. Merritt then attacks other family in bathroom, can corner them in where they can’t escape, and beat them to death before they can even react. There is a slider door in one bathroom; seal the kids in, kill mom, then the children. Once the others are deceased/near death and can’t escape, Merritt discovers Joseph is still alive but actively dying and his suffering audible. So Merritt strangles Joseph to end the sounds of dying. So C, maybe you’re right – Joseph would be the last to die; except he’d be the first to go. I’m so sorry, it’s all horrible, no matter what:(

      But the lack of defensive injuries on at least 2 of the victims makes me think perp had the element of surprise completely on his side that fateful evening of Feb 4 2010.

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      • Thank you for a very well thought out and written comment Karmatea.
        The lack of defensive injuries to Summer is very ttellin, isn’t it. And I agree that she and the boys were most likely surprised and completely overwhelmed by Merritt’s attack.

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        • I have to think whomever the perp is, he was extremely confident in his ability to pull off the murders of four people. Four against one. Even if two of those people are toddlers, because little kids aren’t easy to contain, one would have to have a plan in place. Those boys were articulate and smart, you can tell by watching them in the videos out there. I bet if Gianni had the chance he would have ran out of the house for help.

          I believe trigger to the event was spontaneous (meeting between Merritt & Joseph) but there had been a plan already in progress for the family’s demise at least a few days prior because Merritt had been stealing from Joseph’s business accounts.

          So what kind of monster preys upon an unsuspecting family on a cold February evening, kills them with his bare hands in their own home, with no concern for consequences? A supreme alpha male (at least a legend in his own mind) who knows this family intimately. Confident none of the victims are a match for his physical strength. Knows their domestic routine. Knows where items are in the residence. Knows he can’t kill with a gun because it leaves behind evidence the family met with a violent exit – the mind of a con-man criminal would think like that. He has to make it look like they disappeared willingly. And the perp harbors hate and resentment toward the family. Merritt might have had some regard for Joseph but it’s clear he disliked Summer greatly. I suspect Merritt viewed the children as an extension of their mother which made it easy to kill them. I feel Merritt justified the homicides in his mind as a necessary causality because he wanted that money. However, killing them all with a sledgehammer takes a great deal of strength and physical contact – very personal.

          This crime is not an stranger home invasion/robbery; it’s not a crime of passion. Premeditated multiple murder of an entire family for financial gain by someone who knew them well.

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          • Maybe Merritt was psyching himself up for murder while playing paint ball with JM. Target practice.
            I think that Merritt had been contemplating or fantasizing about killing Joey from around the time the McStay moved to Fallbrook. Maybe not actively planning but fantasizing. Merritt may have envied Joseph’s business savvy and his ability to get ahead enough to by a large house while he himself was falling deeper in debt.

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  17. That’s what happens when you have people who are just on these blogs for the heck of it and think its all just a big game. Now as to a reporter getting things wrong, well that’s just bad reporting. That usually happens when they don’t fact check or they just put a story together so they have an article for there news outlet. Don’t check just write something.

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  18. This is interesting. Now the two Dave IJ and Madison who post false information that was commented on above are now making more false statements of fact and none of them show any proof of their claims. They just put out more lies and say I think, or I think it was here or there and it could have been this or that. Never any proof or links, article, media or news program showing the proof of their accusation. No they just put out more lies with I think, I saw, I read, I believe or this person or that, but not one shred of proof. They are just talking to here themselves talk. This Madison seems to be convinced CM is innocent and everything she says is trying to prove that, but she never proves anything, it’s all just junk talk. Then this Dave IJ comes in with more lies and false information and does virtually the same thing of no proof. So Madison says it was in WS. Yes just pick one a blog with a lot of posters and claim it was the one. Why not say where on WS, what date or poster, all that is listed in the so called comment. They can’t because it’s all bs. Now as to the aunt, that is Yolanda and and as I recall even Tracie Summers sister said not to believe Yolanda. Must be people left over from another blog I won’t name. I wonder if that blog owner these people spout on is connected with the old blog of lies? I remember she said she was going to require proof and she wanted a factual blog. Well so much for that!

    Here are the latest from these to zero’s:

    Madison February 7, 2016

    Dave, Summer’s aunt did say that about the futon cover. Justme/cabo I think you can find it at WS.

    Dave IJ February 7, 2016

    The Aunt also said that a man ( Blake) got up at the podium during the memorial and professed his love for Susan and she thought that was weird.

    What’s interesting is this man is Tom Blake, Susan’s 4th or 5th Blakes ex-husband (as was in the marriage records posted in the past for SB). I don’t remember seeing him in any tv interview or special. I do seem to remember his name being mentioned in written reports in the past (maybe once but I’m not sure). I didn’t see him or here his name in any press releases but if I’m wrong someone here can correct.

    These people just cover lies with more lies thinking people will forget the old lies and just give up and then they go on telling more and more lies. Some people have no shame!

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    • You are absolutely correct, Jay! They pull stuff out of their behinds but refuse to back it up. They are so intent in finding the wrongs of every other person except for the only person who’s been charged in the case. It’s very obvious they’re Baker groupies and maybe they’re related to Merritt. It’s very, very frustrating, to say the least.

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  19. I now see that the one of the people on the now liars blog that took the place of the old one is now putting up quote from Patirck’s fb. However they don’t put up the complete comment he made, no that would tell a different story. So they only put up part of the comment he made so it looks like they were right. So I thought I would find Patrick’s comments and I found them. Here is the complete comment and it points out the futon cover was not on the futon on the 17th and was not found. It also shows that Baker knew but he continued to lie about many things in the house. Baker lied acting as if the house was just as it was on Feb 4, 2010 after almost 2 years, but it wasn’t. Just another case of these people lying and leaving out information and only using partial information because the complete comments prove they lie.

    Here is Patrick’s complete comment on his fb:

    Patrick McStay -Barb Teed – The man has no idea and thinks he knows more than he really does. That’s amazing because the futon cover was never missing. It was not on the futon, but it was there for washing and it wasn’t on the futon when McGyver was at the house on Feb 17th because he remarked about it (it was on the futon on the 3rd). Then Baker goes in the house about September 2011 and calls me and he doesn’t see the futon cover. So he automatically assumes that a year and 7 months later, after the house being vacant all that time, he really expects that to still be there? How dumb is he? Things have been picked over and given away and the house is vacant all that time and he thinks it will be like it was on Feb 4, 2010, what a fool. So it gives him a way to do what he does and make up another far fetched story. Wow, how dumb!!! But there are people on his blog foolish enough to believe him and they are even worse!

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  20. I also understand this “Dave IJ” is masquerading as a man and is really a woman and is a former “Baker Groupie”. Now that makes sense by the way she has even commented she can’t wait for Baker to return or to read his latest whatever. Well what can be expected from people like this but twisting, parsing, lying, omitting and all from a person who gets a thrill up her leg from a loser like Baker.

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    • I don’t really have a problem with a female posing as a male because there’s a lot of weirdos on the internet so for safety reasons I get it.

      What I have a huge problem with are the people who repeat and actually believe what they’ve read on his blog because they seem to think he’s the expert. They need to do some research and fact checking because he’s been wrong more times than he’s been right. For his part he needed to correct any and all erroneous information but he’s a drama queen and loves to have the pot constantly stirring. He plays a lot of games, even with his loyal followers, yet they stand by him. It’s very cult like and creepy. I don’t think for one minute he cared about the McStays or justice. I don’t think he has the capacity to care about others. Him wanting to relinquish his parental rights is glaring proof.

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  21. Over the course of six years, like many people I’ve held many contradictory beliefs..especially before the bodies were found confirming their deaths. One things still troubles me: Of ALL the people, sightings, theories, red herrings, etc…the missionary who swore she saw the entire (I believe at a Walmart in Merida) was remarkably credible. I thought so then and I think so now. Yet, she would have to be completely mistaken. Can’t reconcile the two…

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    • I remember all that and as I recall it was the daughter that really saw them and told her dad. The mother as I remember was unaware of the case until they were home and saw the article her daughter showed her. It was the daughter that was the one who really was the driving force claiming it was the McStay’s. There was also some discrepancies in the story. The man supposedly (as I recall the description said) had a shaved head and the woman had shorter hair. There were also two different versions of the van, one said it was blue and another said it was green. They had no pictures and only remembered what they saw and there was no video that was any proof of the identity of the people that were suppose to be the McStay’s. I think it was a mistaken identity. JMO

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      • Given what we know now, it would have to be a mistaken identity. But in the moment, a few years ago when we were all torn between voluntary escape and foul play, she gave us much to ponder. I’ll find the video, but she was insistent that “that was the consistent with an appearance change. Thanks.

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        • Eyewitness/direct testimony can be the most unreliable of all evidence that is presented in a trial. Obviously this alleged witness was wrong. It happens all the time in missing person cases.

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      • I never believed in the Merida sighting, mainly because of the woman’s account. At the beginning of her being interviewed for the show, she seemed to be on the fence about it being the family. As leaning towards that it wasn’t. Through the progression of the piece though, and at the end, she said she felt it was them, that she saw the family. It was almost as if she was being coaxed by producers into believing it. Maybe to boost ratings, I don’t know.

        There have been so many alarming falsehoods in this convoluted story, I can understand to some extent how people are duped to thinking one way or another. Chase Merritt – or the killer, whomever the People convict – did a very effective job at dropping the Trooper at the border. He had 4-5 days to figure out a way to throw people off and it worked, big time.

        What has troubled me all along, since he was arrested, is why he was so adamant that it wasn’t the family, at least not Joseph, in the border crossing video. You would think he would run with that, hook, line and sinker.

        But I think I may have just figured out why. I need to sit on this thought.

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  22. Over the course of six years, like many people I’ve held many contradictory beliefs..especially before the bodies were found confirming their deaths. One thing still troubles me: Of ALL the people, sightings, theories, red herrings, etc…the missionary who swore she saw the entire family (I believe at a Walmart in Merida) was remarkably credible. I thought so then and I think so now. Yet, she would have to be completely mistaken. Can’t reconcile the two…

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    • Their graves are visible on satellite images going back to April/May 2010 (I don’t think there were any available for February 2010) and you can even make out the tracks leading to them, like there is a discoloration where the graves are when you compare them to satellite images from 2009.

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  23. I never believed in the Merida sighting, mainly because of the woman’s account. At the beginning of her being interviewed for the show, she seemed to be on the fence about it being the family. As leaning towards that it wasn’t. Through the progression of the piece though, and at the end, she said she felt it was them, that she saw the family. It was almost as if she was being coaxed by producers into believing it. Maybe to boost ratings, I don’t know.

    There have been so many alarming falsehoods in this convoluted story, I can understand to some extent how people are duped to thinking one way or another. Chase Merritt – or the killer, whomever the People convict – did a very effective job at dropping the Trooper at the border. He had 4-5 days to figure out a way to throw people off and it worked, big time.

    What has troubled me all along, since he was arrested, is why he was so adamant that it wasn’t the family, at least not Joseph, in the border crossing video. If he wanted people to believe it was the family that drove to the border and crossed, why didn’t he go with the contention it was them?

    But I think I may have just figured out why. I need to sit on this thought.

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    • Cornelius I agree that whole program was the one RB and another person worked on with E! It was a lot of Bakers information (which we all know was the worst) they used in that so called investigation. So much of that entire program was false or just insinuations. Like the sighting at the bar, the old high school friend of Joseph and comments he said about him. That was when Baker was telling everyone he was going to CR and Jamaica searching because of information he had. I remember someone tracked Baker when he said he was in CR and I seem to remember they said he was in the US at a car dealership when he was posting that he was in CR. They tracked his computer and sure enough he was in the US. Just another day in paradise!

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    • Merritt may have thought police were trying to trick him by saying it was the family crossing the border. Remember when he was talking about his polygraph test, he said the cops had told him there were some discrepancies but maybe the cops were trying to trick him into saying more? No one else thought it was the family, just the cops.

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  24. Rob I remember that and shortly after that (I think her name was) Laura Lang the host of “E!” was gone from the program. If I remember correctly there was a backlash about how bad that so called investigation was and so much of the so called facts were false and that I believe led to her departure from E! She was out of TV and off the air for quite some time after that deal. Chalk another possible casualty of RB!

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  25. Well it looks like Madison and Rose have managed to get the comments shut off over at the other blog. Of course Jennifer is blaming me and Just Me for being the victim bathers and trouble makers. Because they all have such a civil conversation discussing the futon being thrown in the garbage and whether or not a very well trained and experienced forensic pathologist autopsy results are accurate, and Dan’s creepy shoe.

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    • I didn’t see so much victim bashing as I saw just plain lies and bullshit. I’m tired of Madison and Rose referring to things they’ve learned by way of Baker and then consider it a fact. Madison got bent out of shape because people on this blog have mentioned her name. Guess what Madison? Think for yourself instead of perpetuating gossip and lies and people might look at you in a more favorable light.

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      • I agree.

        And for them to go on and on about who said what about the futon cover was ridiculous. The only way the defense can challenge that evidence is to hire their own forensic analyst who has compared the fabric found in the grave to the fabric of the remaining pillow or photos of the futon cover and has come to a different conclusion.

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        • It’s really petty. I’m going to say this only to put a mirror to how ridiculous these people are. Let’s say for the sake of argument that Summer’s aunt witnesses SB throw the cover in the trash. Her aunt also sees SB throw the sledgehammer, blue tape, children’s bath towels in as well. The aunt then goes on to witness SB and MM rip out every appliance and haul them away to which MM exclaimed “What do you think Ma? Maybe a couple grand?”

          No, nothing of the sort happened. The aunt saw nothing, said nothing, if she was even there. The cover was in the grave.

          Next they’ll be saying the garbage man was involved, because it couldn’t be “chase merritt”.

          Imbeciles.

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  26. Those girls are so enamored by Baker that they will believe anything. They aren’t smart enough to believe that Dear Leader defends a child murderer because of his hatred of Michael Mikey McStay. Unreasonable, baseless, perverted sick hatred. That is what makes Baker such a despicable foe. Light me up another torch.

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  27. I see the comments on the other blog were closed and no one can comment on that topic. So I see this Dave IJ just moved to another topic and seems to try to be carry on the conversation to prove the futon cover was missing when the family was alive. Now he posts a video from Geraldo and says at the 18 sec mark you see the futon with no cover on it. Then it supposedly shows Summer’s brother or McGyver but they don’t know which it is. The camera panned so fast you couldn’t see any proof of whether the cover is there or not, and you can’t tell who the person is either. Boy these people try to pull anything to make a point when they have been caught and proven to be liars. Now they produce a video that they never mentioned before and there is no way as I said you could tell anything from that fast moving camera it is panning the room. What will they try next? I guess when you make things up and get caught lying you have to try something to prove your not a liar, even when your caught. Well it just goes to prove that blog has all the liars from an older blog and they just moved over when the other one shut down for being caught lying and continually making up things.

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  28. I don’t understand why they’re so hung up on the futon cover. Once testing is completed and released by the state it will be proven one way or another if the fabric found in the grave, and presumed to be the cover, is in fact the futon cover. Reading through Daveij’s comments is kind of amusing, like he’s arguing with himself and neither side is winning.

    I also don’t understand why the people on that blog are so set on proving Merritt didn’t commit this horrible crime. They say they care about the family and justice but so far it seems they only care about how right their theories are. Maybe they’re working pro bono for the defense?

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    • You know what really doesn’t make sense? For years we had to listen to all these yahoos accuse MM and SB draining the family’s bank accounts. There was nothing to back this up, only speculation. We now have digital evidence left in several places that Chase was ripping off Joseph left and right in excess of thousands of dollars before and AFTER the 4th. He created 76 CHECKS and spent thousands at casinos when he told everyone that he had NO INCOME. These idiots just gloss over it like it’s a F’ing clerical error. It’s absurd.

      I’ll even goes as far as to meet them halfway and say, ok maybe he’s just a thief and a POS friend and that he didn’t kill them. BUT he had to have known they were dead or something really, really bad happened. That makes him an accessory to murder.

      This guy is guilty as they come. You can’t get much lower than Chase Merritt.

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      • They go beyond glossing it over, Corn. They make up stories to discuss, like Merritt and Joey were secret partners and Merritt had permission to take the money. Then when they’re confronted with Merritt’s own statements saying he was not a business partner but contracted by Joey to work on custom fountains, they ignore it and say it’s. “their opinion”.and that’s that.
        I don’t think they understand the difference between opinion and fact.

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        • Correct Fran and they just ignore the Orange County California records that have been posted on several sites as well. The official records show Joseph McStay as the sole owner and there were no partners at the time of the McStay’s missing on the 4th of February 2010. The only other facts are that Patrick, Joseph’s Father was a Joseph’s only partner in EIP and that was in 2005 records. So these people don’t even bother to tell the truth or the whole truth, no only what suits them.

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          • I agree Fran and Jay. One rumor that’s been circulating for years is that the McStays were evicted for nonpayment of rent. A quick search of public records quashed that rumor but some still believe whatever Baker spewed.

            This particular rumor about the eviction pisses me off. Many evictions are for not paying rent but in this case it wasn’t yet the rumor is out there and makes Joey and Summer look like squatters when in fact they were not. In fact I haven’t seen, heard or read one shred of evidence that Joey and Summer were anything less than upstanding. Every single person who has spoken about them has said nothing but positive things so I have to believe they were amazing people. I honestly envy those that knew the family on a personal level. They were taken much too soon.

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            • Yes. And the eviction for nonpayment of rent rumor feeds the rumor of ill gotten money and drugs or fraud of some kind. And on it goes.
              All bs mostly started by Baker.

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  29. Here’s an interesting comment by the person who really seems to just try to stir up trouble. No truthful facts just posts things like this hoping to stir up trouble for that blog and prosecution.

    Notice this same Dave IJ leaves out that in the Miller video a neighbor tells them that one of the neighbors on the cul-de-sac also reportedly saw a white pick up driving by the house on the night of the 4th.

    But this Dave IJ fails to point that fact out. Is that because CM drove a white pick up and it could have been his truck.

    So if you are going to give information about vehicles at the house, why not tell the truth and list all the information and not just bits and pieces.

    This person only tries to cause trouble and points out negative information trying to link the uncertain and omits the full and complete facts.

    Sounds to me like someone from the past. Could this be the big liar under a different name? Happened before.

    Notice just shows a prior comment and acts wanting to cause more dumb conversation about something that has been whipped to death many times before.

    Dave IJ
    February 9, 2016
    8:58 am
    Reply
    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2013/feb/02/mcstay-missing-fallbrook-family/

    At 7:47 p.m., a neighbor’s surveillance camera captured the bottom 18-inches of what appears to be the family’s white Isuzu Trooper going by. About 40 minutes later, on his cellphone, Joseph called a co-worker

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  30. Me too I have tried to reach her for several months now and have been unable to reach her here, on S4M and her email. I’m worried too, we need to find out if anything is wrong!

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  31. I sent a text to Jane as well as a PM on FB. It looks like her last FB activity was in early December 2015. It’s strange that she’s gone silent. I’ll PM Patrick and see if he’s talked to her. I’ll keep everyone updated if I learn more.

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  32. I am floored! Apparently there’s not enough other material to discuss on the other blog so Madison brings up the FBI and child sex trafficking. WTF! Is she so ignorant that she can’t comprehend who’s been charged with these crimes and it has nothing to do with trafficking of any type. She really needs to pull her head out and get a new hobby. Smdh

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      • Suzzy:
        Another opinion, and I know how the old adage goes about everyone having one, I don’t know it those are the eyes of o puppy or those of a deer in the headlights. IMO, there’s no “theatrics” going on. He pretty much knows what went wrong. He’s either feeling severe remorse at what a pickle he got himself into, OR severe remorse for not being able to help Joey….or how this all came out.
        Again, IMO, IF he did this or had any knowledge or was part of it, we’re all pretty smart/analytical people here. So, analyze the fact that Joey’s murder appeared to be a “soft” kill, as opposed to CHILDREN being beaten over the head with a hammer. Forensically, I would THINK, a murderer doesn’t change his mode of killing mid crime……..

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  33. I hope your friend is OK. Sometimes people disappear for a short time due to life obligations, praying that’s all it is.

    But I had to post this PSA – not that it isn’t obvious by the already posted examples – regarding bias on the Dark Side of Dumbass Drama aka The McStay File blog.

    I hadn’t posted there in forever because of the moderator’s inability (or hypocrisy) to stand by her own standards, ie, cite your sources, stick to the facts, as demonstrated by the Chase Merritt cheerleading McStay haters run amok crowd using RB as a source. So I posted there today and said so.

    My response to the latest post was articulate; in short, I said the blog catered to CM isn’t guilty and MM is guilty mindset, that I don’t care about futon covers, McStays never went to Mexico and Merritt is a lone wolf baby killer who can’t get convicted soon enough. I ended with it doesn’t matter what I think or anyone else on a blog thinks it’s what the jury thinks that matters. It’s the SBC criminal justice system working on behalf of the best interests of the people and defendant for a fair and impartial trial that matters. Because when Merritt gets convicted I don’t want him to have any wiggle room for appeal – and posted accordingly – but you know what happened? It’s gone! Deleted by the Drama Queen leading the RB McStay haters parade.

    Hypocrisy alive and well and don’t let those pesky facts and truth spoil our good time, damn it!

    Except they’re douchebags knowingly throwing bullshit out there to just proliferate hate, hate and more hate against innocent family members whose loved ones have been brutally murdered. And that’s their intent, 100%. It’s true scumbag-types that engage in such behavior. Some people should have their computer and internet taken away. Creeps!

    Here’s a couple quotes from the latest from Ms.Lets-Let-the-Lies-Live-On-Cause-Rick-Baker-Is-My-Puppet-Master:

    “Everyone is welcome here. Your welcome privileges are revoked when you continue to break the rules.”

    ahahaha, what rules? The ones you create then don’t enforce – or only enforce when it disagrees with your bullshit POV? Then you delete common sense responses that are not insulting but truth revealing – gee, who does THAT remind everyone of, sounds like your Puppet-Master, Ms. Hypocrite!!

    “Stop cursing and using substitution curse words.”

    I never substitute my curse words. Fuck you, you hypocritical bitch, for creating a website to proliferate hate and hurtful intent toward an innocent family suffering with the loss of murdered loved ones. Too bad you can’t delete my cursive remarks here, eh? Truth hurts, bitches, get used to it – there’s more coming and it’s not pretty for your baby killer cowboy cause he’s going to Hell.

    My advice to y’all – don’t dignify those baby-killer lovers on the Dark Side with a response in anything they have to say. They are not important enough to waste time upon. Bring on that trial SBC!

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    • I read your comment over there Karmatea and I have to say it was brilliant. Was looking for a response from duly but she decided to delete instead. Well I guess that’s one way to control the dialogue.
      They only use the commenting rules on people who have opposing views to theirs. I have tried to post facts and back them up with verified sources but more and more I feel it’s a total waste of time. I’m either ignored or they respond with nonsense like: we all have a right to our opinions. Yeah right, only opinions they approve of no matter how inane they may be.
      I’m taking your advice and will cease to try and engage any of them. They’re a bunch of idiots.

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  34. The blog owner from here forward should be referred as “Mrs. RB” as she is exactly like him and deletes anything that doesn’t support good ole CM. By the way he’s not a real Cowboy, he’s a fraud at that just as he is in psychotic life. I hate to see him called a Cowboy, he doesn’t deserve that title!

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    • Nope, not a Cowboy. The only Cowboys I know of are those that herd cows, ride bulls, treat ladies like ladies and sing songs about ladies and family.

      Real Cowboys don’t murder families.

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  35. Does anyone know when Joseph first partnered with Metro Sheet Metal? Was this a recent partnership?
    I’m wondering if Joseph decided to use an insured and licensed metal fabricating shop, MSM, after Merritt’s shop got “broken into” and he discovered Merritt had no insurance. I’m guessing about the no insurance.
    I could see Merritt stewing about this perceived loss of independence. Not being able to work on projects at his leisure but instead having to conform to another shops rules and hours. Essentially having to be “working for the man” could have been a big blow to his ego and one more thing he was resentful about.

    THE WITNESS: Miss Garcia told me that Metro Sheet Metal
    7 and Earth Inspired Products partnered. In other words, where
    8 they would do the majority of the fabricating at Metro Sheet
    9 Metal and Mr. Merritt would come in and do the artistic designs,
    10 electrical, motors, to get the fountains to work.

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  36. Not to change the subject but it’s is interesting that even when they are admonished on another blog about information being posted that’s incorrect or flat out wrong, people there continue to put out bad information.

    They are and have been for several days discussing the FBI’s involvement in the McStay case. They have come up 2011 and 2013 with all types of different dates, yet none are correct. The fact is if they had just bothered to check they would have found the FBI was involved and assisting the SDSO from the very beginning as was the Border Patrol and US Customs.

    This is easily confirmed by early SDSO comments and media reports, even Patrick himself who has commented about talking with Special Agent Kristen Robinson. If anyone remembers the McStays so called sighting in Merida, Mexico was in late March 2010 or early April 2010. Remember Patrick was the one who found the man and his family and made the arrangements for the SDSD to talk to him around April 2010 and to have the FBI get the video from Mexico right after all that.

    I just wish there were more concern by those people on that blog for the truth and the facts and not all the garbage they spread and never show any proof. They really can’t show proof because they don’t check or even know the truth or facts as they continue to prove their ignorance.

    It seems like instant replay of another blog all over again, no proof, no real facts, just make up anything and say anything the people there will believe it. Then use a stupid book and author because he was the expert. NOT!

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  37. Jennifer @ the BS blog:

    “I doubt, given Chase’s coninued proclamation of innocence that he will agree to a plea.”

    Um, really? I can count on one hand the number of times Merritt has proclaimed his innocence. And let’s not forget his walk of shame and trying to hide his face when he was arrested. His actions, demeanor and face are that of a man who murdered an entire family.

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    • Just Me, I agree. I have been thinking the same thing lately about his so little professed innocence. It just seems to me he has done very little claiming he is innocent. It just seems if you are innocent of such a heinous crime especially with such little children, you would be yelling from the roof tops proclaiming your innocence.

      I’ve seen so many who have done interview after interview proclaiming their innocence along with their family members doing every interview possible to proclaim their family members innocence.

      But here we have almost nothing, not even Merritt’s family has done much at all. It just makes you really wonder why, why so quiet. As the old saying goes, “silence is golden”.

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      • I agree, Jay. Even if the attorneys have told Merritt to stay quiet you’d think his family would be talking. Actually, if I remember correctly Baker is about the only one who proclaimed Merritt’s innocence and we all know his word can’t be trusted or believed.

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    • Thanks for the link, Corn. Do you think the key was planted? I’m leaning towards yes but I still think Avery murdered Theresa. I’m curious about your thoughts.

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  38. PE_Gail Wesson ‏@PE_GailWesson
    One more delay, #charlesmerritt may retain new private counsel for #McStay Fallbrook quad homicide trial after all, Feb 25 is next date.

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  39. Sidney Leach ‏@SidviciousLeach 6m6 minutes ago
    #mcstay DAs Britt Imes and Sean Daugherty also present. Hearing in process. #chasemarritt

    PE_Gail Wesson ‏@PE_GailWesson 7m7 minutes ago
    One more delay, #charlesmerritt may retain new private counsel for #McStay Fallbrook quad homicide trial after all, Feb 25 is next date.

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  40. IMO, regardless of what Merritt told the court, this is not about getting to trial sooner, if he really wanted that he would have stuck with Mettias. This is about stalling and drawing out the time line so he can prolong facing the cold hard facts.

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  41. From the docket today:

    MICHAEL A SMITH, J-JUDGE
    CLERK: DDA-DOLORES AMADOR
    CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER: TW-THERESA WOLFE CSR# TW-6024
    BAILIFF JACKSON

    APPEARANCES
    DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY SEAN DAUGHERTY AND BRITT IMES PRESENT.
    DEFENDANT PRO PER.
    DEFENDANT PRESENT IN CUSTODY.

    PROCEEDINGS
    ACTION COMES ON FOR DISPO/RESET

    DEFENDANT ADVISES THE COURT THAT HE INTENDS TO
    RETAIN COUNSEL.

    DEFENDANTS REQUEST TO CONTINUE FURTHER FOR
    STATUS OF RETAINING COUNSEL IS GRANTED.

    MATTER IS CONTINUED FOR CONFIRMATION OF COUNSEL
    AND DISPO RESET HEARING.

    IVESTIGATOR DAVID FARRELL ADVISES THE COURT THAT
    HE HAS RETRIEVED DISCOVERY FROM FORMER COUNSEL
    J METTIAS. HE WILL RETAIN IT UNTIL NEW COUNSEL IS
    RETAINED.

    THE COURT ORDERS THE NEXT COUNSEL ON THE CAPITAL
    ATTORNEY PANEL PRESENT AT NEXT HEARING.

    HEARINGS
    HEARING RE: CONF OF COUNSEL/DISPO RESET SET ON 02/25/2016 AT 8:33 IN DEPARTMENT S21.
    DEFENDANT ORDERED TO APPEAR ON HEARING DATE.
    TRIAL DATE VACATED.

    TIME WAIVERS
    TIME WAIVED FOR TRIAL; PLUS 90 DAYS.
    TIME WAIVED TO 05/25/2016.
    SET LAST DATE FOR TRIAL TO 05/25/2016.

    CUSTODY STATUS
    CASE CUSTODY – IN CUSTODY
    CSR THERESA WOLFE IS DIRECTED BY THE COURT TO PREPARE A TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS HELD ON 2/11/16. COPY OF MINUTE ORDER GIVEN TO REPORTER.

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  42. Kind of telling, in my opinion, that Maline wasn’t present. Maybe he can’t get on the approved panel or he’s sick of Merritt just like the other attorneys who’ve been involved with him?

    I also wonder why Maline isn’t already on the approved panel if he’s such a great attorney.

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  43. Merritt has no access to money. That was part of the reason he didn’t keep the first attorney because he couldn’t come up with the $250K retainer.

    And didn’t he tell the judge he was indigent, that’s why Mettias was able to get paid by the State?

    Maybe Baker is behind this WTF.

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  44. So then he isn’t filing as indigent or Mailine can’t be funded that way? Could it be that Maline doesn’t want the case or he is charging Merritt and that’s why he is trying to raise money to pay Maline.

    That tells me something if Merritt can’t get approved for Maline to be paid under the indigent status. So how many attorney’s does this make now? Who will be next and how will Merritt structure his next delay?

    Why are all these attorney’s jumping ship? What do we not know that is going on? It strikes me as a game of, I don’t want any delays, so how can I cause another one without the court or people catching on to me? I wonder if I can bring back the “I’m dying defense again”? These some of how Merritt thinks or is playing games?

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    • I thought, not positive, that Maline is not a capital trial qualified attorney.

      The way I read it that Merritt is hiring a “privately retained” attorney makes it sound like he would not be claiming indigent status, if Joe Nelson’s tweet is accurate:

      Joe Nelson ‏@SBcountyNow 1h1 hour ago
      Merritt said he found an attorney and is raising money for his defense. Name of attorney was not disclosed. #ChaseMerritt #McStay

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  45. I missed following this thread somehow and am just now going through the comments. I have to admit that that other blog frustrated me so much by posting so much bullshit that I stopped going there quite some time back. I much prefer the rational sane people that prefer facts and hang out here.

    As far as Baker goes? The fact that his motto on his current website is “The right thing and the easy thing are never the same.” ― Kami’ is hilarious. Yes, Baker and the hardest thing for you to do is to stay the hell out of the McStay case, because it IS the right thing for you to do but your narcissistic personality is just craving the attention so much you can’t help yourself. Once again, I beseech you to get the help you so desperately need.

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  46. Sylvia, I’m right there with you. I somehow missed this thread too but finally caught on a couple of days ago.

    I have discovered it is so much less stressful to ignore the ignorant. “I’ve got a Peaceful Easy Feeling”. (Props to Glenn Frye).

    Good, intelligent, factual discussion is the way to go. In my opinion.

    It really is a joy to come to this blog, thank you Corn, and all of you who contribute here.

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  47. Now he is saying he wants to raise money?! Merritt clearly is trying to postpone the inevitable. The prosecutors and judge are on to him. What a COWARD.

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    • The DA agrees:
      Britt Imes, a San Bernardino County supervising district attorney, reiterated a concern during the hearing � that Merritt’s actions to terminate his defense team, then ask for more time to decide whether to represent himself, or obtain new legal representation amounted to a stalling tactic. The district attorney’s office is ready for trial and Imes said Merritt’s “last minute antics are fraught with peril.”

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  48. Has anyone checked out any of the FB pages belonging to Merritt’s family? Maybe there are some clues about how he intends to raise money. Another thought, maybe he and ass-hat are going to write a book and ass-hat is shopping it to raise the funds?

    I’m completely stumped as to how he’s going to get money but even more stumped about Baker’s new role in this case. I hope that both of them show some much-deserved respect to the family of the McStays instead of being assholes and talking shit about them again.

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    • The book he was writing was the only way I could think of him raising a decent chunk of money. But what attorney in their right mind would even go along with such a thing? Once it is in print, it is going to be hard to deny at trial. I’m not sure if there would be any legal ramifications if that was withheld from LE, since several of those warrants were served looking for his book writings.

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  49. Maybe Baker is going to start a “gofundme” account for Merritt’s defense? He’ll have the money go to himself (Baker) like he did with the “Bench” donation debacle that he tried to screw up for the family memorial.

    Then Baker would pay his defense and would have Merritt give him access to the case and he would write another book. He would probably tell Merritt he would donate all the book sales to his defense. He’s that maniacal with his devious mind. I wouldn’t bet on the accounting on any of that! lol

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  50. He, his girlfriend and whatever family was supporting him, couldn’t drum up the impound money for his SUV. None of them have two nickels to rub together. Yet, he is going to come up with a hefty criminal defense lawyer retainer?

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  51. During a pre-trial hearing before San Bernardino Superior Court Judge Michael Smith on Thursday, Feb. 11, Merritt said he is again trying to retain private counsel, but a little more time to work out details.
    Although Merritt did not mention anyone by name, he spoke to Riverside attorney James E. McGee II before and after the hearing.

    McGee said outside court, “There are conversations that are going on.” If there is an agreement on representation, it would be joint representation with another Riverside attorney, Rajan Maline, McGee said.

    Britt Imes, a San Bernardino County supervising district attorney, reiterated a concern during the hearing � that Merritt’s actions to terminate his defense team, then ask for more time to decide whether to represent himself, or obtain new legal representation amounted to a stalling tactic. The district attorney’s office is ready for trial and Imes said Merritt’s “last minute antics are fraught with peril.”

    Merritt replied that it may take two weeks to finalize legal representation and he wants to move forward “as soon as possible.

    The judge said a trial would be scheduled within 90 days of the Feb. 25 hearing date. Because he terminated his previous legal team, Merritt represented himself at the Thursday hearing.

    He left open the possibility that he may continue to represent himself and ask the judge to appoint an “advisory” legal counsel, which he had about a year ago before he changed his mind and sought a court-appointed legal team.

    http://www.pe.com/articles/merritt-794096-feb-judge.html

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  52. So anyone know what might happen if Merritt is unable to raise funds for his desired legal representation within the next two weeks? Will the judge continue to give Merritt more time or will he appoint attornies from the court approved panel? That is if Merritt doesn’t want to go pro per.

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    • Good questions. I would think he’d definitely appoint at that stage? Too many stalling tactics. I thought it was interesting that the judge denied his request for a continuance at the last hearing but granted it today.

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    • No Fran I believe at that point Judge Smith would set a trial date and Merritt have to decide right then if he was going Pro Se or have the court appoint a attorney for the defense. I don’t think the Judge will allow it to not be finalized in the hearing od February 25th.

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    • DH says Merritt doesn’t have the right to do fundraising in jail. If, so, no one would ever go to trial. He can ask his friends to put up money in a timely manner, but that won’t happen. More likely, his attorney will do a creative retainer (I.e., book rights).

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  53. California’s law on special circumstances murder (also known as capital murder) exists partly to address this concern. Because of this law, juries can’t impose the California death penalty on someone found guilty of murder just because they feel like it or take a personal dislike to the defendant.

    Instead, a murder defendant can only be sentenced to death if they are convicted of first degree murder, and if the murder involved a so-called “special circumstance.”4 The special circumstances that can elevate a murder into special circumstances murder are listed in Penal Code 190.2 PC.5

    The list of special circumstances has changed over the years. Some of the items were added as a result of California voter initiatives, in which California voters rather than the California legislature voted to include them.6

    Partly because of this, some of the items on the list don’t make as much sense as others. On the one hand, the list includes things like murder of a police officer and murder involving torture…which many people would probably agree deserve harsher punishment.7 On the other hand, it also includes much less obvious things like murder by means of a drive-by shooting.8

    Even if a jury finds that one of the special circumstances is true, that doesn’t mean the defendant automatically gets the death penalty. But it DOES mean that they will be sentenced either to death OR to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

    More at:
    http://www.shouselaw.com/special-circumstances-murder-california.html

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  54. It looks as if these apply for the death penalty:

    2.1. Murder carried out for financial gain
    Murder carried out in order to obtain some kind of financial benefit is special circumstances murder.23

    For this special circumstance to apply, the following all have to be true:
    1.The murder was intentional;
    2.The murder was carried out for financial gain; AND
    3.If the murder was a felony-murder where the felony was robbery, the defendant has to have expected that the financial gain was going to result from the death of the defendant.24 (Otherwise, every robbery-murder would also be a special circumstances murder.)25
    All sorts of things can qualify as “financial gain” for purposes of turning a murder into a capital murder.

    2.3. Multiple murder convictions

    A defendant may be convicted of special circumstances murder / capital murder if s/he has been found guilty of other first- or second-degree murders at the same trial.33 To be clear, at least one conviction must be for first-degree murder before capital murder penalties can apply.34

    Intent to kill is not required for special circumstances murder based on multiple murder convictions, unless the defendant was only an accomplice to murder.35

    2.7. Murder of a witness
    The murder of a witness to a crime can also be special circumstances murder.47

    This special circumstance applies only in the following situation:
    1.The defendant intended to kill a witness in a criminal or juvenile justice proceeding;
    2.The witness was not killed during the commission of the crime that s/he witnessed; AND
    3.The defendant intended to kill the witness either to prevent him/her from testifying in a criminal or juvenile justice proceeding, OR in retaliation for his/her past testimony.48

    I think 2.7 (3) would apply

    2.12. Murder involving torture (possibly Joseph or Summer)

    Murder that involves the infliction of torture — extreme pain and suffering — is also special circumstances murder punishable by death or life without parole.73

    Here are the factors that need to be proven for this special circumstance to apply:
    1.The defendants need to have intended to kill the victim (accidental or negligent killing won’t count);
    2.The defendant needs to have intended to inflict extreme physical pain on the victim while that person was still alive, for any reason (revenge, extortion, etc.); AND
    3.The defendant needs to have performed an act that would inflict extreme physical pain on the victim.74

    Interestingly, for torture-murders committed on or after June 6, 1990, it’s not required that the victim actually feel the pain…it’s enough for the defendant to intend to inflict pain and take some action to inflict pain.75 But for murders committed before that date, it IS required that the victim actually suffer pain.

    I believe one or all of these apply and therefore the “death penalty” can be applied.

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  55. Question; I see that two of the people posting the another blog, are named Rose and Madison. Now isn’t Madison the name of one of Merritt’s daughters?

    Isn’t Rose the name of Merritts aunt or sister?

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  56. Don’t fret too much about this lil delay. Kind of expected since it’s Merritt’s MO all the way. I think the judge is onto the inmate’s BS stalling tactics. Only gave the defendant two weeks to figure it out, not like, ok, see you in May for the next court date. I think Judge Smith is trying to fast-track the process to pressure Merritt and any potential counsel to get it together. Perhaps it seems far away but if trial starts in August 2016 that’s about as fast as it will get – that’s a good thing! Better than another 18 months away. I have faith Judge Smith isn’t going to allow Merritt to railroad justice and drag things out because the perp can’t make up his mind about representation. However, every consideration given to the defendant now is a guarantee it won’t come back in appeal when Merritt gets convicted. Patience for the long haul, believe in justice for the McStays, peace:)

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  57. Joe’s article is kind of snarky 🙂 I’ll just post the details from today and the snark.

    Charles “Chase” Merritt, the man accused of killing a San Diego County family and burying their bodies in the Mojave Desert near Victorville, can’t seem to make up his mind on whether he wants to represent himself in his capital murder case or have an attorney defend him.

    Since his arrest in November 2014, Merritt, 58, of Homeland has gone through five attorneys. He attempted to represent himself twice, only to fall back on the court and request he have an attorney/attorneys represent him.

    During a hearing Thursday in San Bernardino Superior Court, it was round three on the matter regarding who would be defending Merritt, who informed Judge Michael A. Smith he no longer wanted to represent himself, but needed to figure out how he was going to afford his own defense team.
    ….
    Now, Merritt is considering rehiring Riverside attorney Maline and also bringing aboard former San Bernardino County prosecutor turned criminal defense attorney James McGee.

    In an interview following Thursday’s hearing, Maline said he and McGee are discussing payment options with Merritt, and that the chances of them defending Merritt are pretty good.

    “Having a retainer agreement in this case is kind of tricky, and that’s what we’re working on,” Maline said, declining to elaborate.
    ….

    Smith set the next hearing for Feb. 25, where Merritt will announce whether he has retained counsel. If not, Smith is expected to appoint Merritt an attorney from the county’s indigent defense panel.

    http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20160211/mcstay-family-murder-suspect-charles-chase-merritt-wants-new-attorneys

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    • I’ve noticed the snarkiness, or exasperation in Joes tweets too.
      I imagine seeing Merritt’s body language, facial expressions and general demeanor in court every couple of weeks gives Joe an added advantage in assessing the man’s character.

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      • I don’t think there’s much love lost between Merritt and Joe Nelson. Remember how Baker tried to throw Joe under the bus? I suspect Joe has had some dealings with Merritt and/or Baker that left a bad taste in his mouth.

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    • It seems like everyone – except, of course, Merritt’s misguided, tone deaf yell leaders on another blog – is sick of his manipulations, including the prosecutors and judge. Most reasonable people are sick of listening to this whiney, cowardly baby killer who wants nothing more than to get away with this crime so he can move on to manipulating and stealing from new victims.

      This monster has never even mentioned Gianni or Joey, Jr. Not once. Not one statement saying how precious these babies were and how loved. Why? I sense they were nonentities or mere extensions of Summer. If the latter is true it explains the overkill of Gianni. What kind of monster has not one shred of remorse for bludgeoning two toddlers to death. How depraved is that?

      This monster will be found guilty, imo.

      P.S. Just want to say how much I appreciate this blog, Corn. You are a class act. So are the others who post here and share there opinions. Best blog ever, imo.

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      • Actually he did mention the children by name once in his public statement, which was awkward and kind of weird, imo. It’s almost like he only mentions the family because he has to. It’s mostly about the “injustice” done to him.

        Chase Merritt’s full statement
        Thus far for the most part I have opted to refrain from releasing statements to the press regarding this case. I have done so as I have not believed that releasing statements to the press would help bring justice to my friend and his family. It is obvious we have a difficult road to travel before this justice can be assured.

        We all feel the gravity of the situation, in that the entire family and its counterparts have experienced a horrific act of depravity. Joseph, Summer, Joseph Jr. and little Gianni all not here to find and see their injustice.

        Although law enforcement has significantly made errors in their investigation which will become abundantly clear in the trial, they are the ones who must none the less take on this grievous task of finding and bringing to justice the person(s) responsible for the death of my good friend and his family.

        I only ask that we all remember in this great country there is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. It seems that some of us including law enforcement have forgotten this very important fact.

        I only beg the place for this trial is in the courtroom. Outside of which the defendant has no right to compel the attendance of witnesses or cross examine sources of evidence. To do otherwise cannot be redressed by our courts, and therefore the defendant’s rights to a fair trial are destroyed. This is an evil which no defendant can contend.

        My prayer is that through the upcoming trial and the devotion of all of us we will come to find the truth, and that the real killer or killers of my friend and his precious family will be exposed. If this is accomplished, I bear no malice.

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        • Okay, I see, but this statement was made when he was already incarcerated, right? So, it is self-serving, imo. Do you know if he ever mentioned them prior to his incarceration?

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          • I agree with you Murphy, very self serving and too late.
            Prior to his arrest I never heard him mention the children’s names, ever:(
            Was it the search warrants or the prelim where a detective stated that during an interview early on in the investigation Merritt repeatedly forgot Summer’s name. He may have never paid enough attention to know the boys names. His whole focus was probably on Joey’s wallet.

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  58. Am I the only one disgusted by the comments and discussion on the other blog? They seem to be so concerned about Merritt and his team of attorneys. Where is the concern about the McStays, especially the innocent little boys, getting their heads bashed in with a fucking hammer and being dumped in the desert like trash? Where is the concern for the surviving family and friends who will undoubtedly have to endure weeks of hell listening to and viewing what will probably be some very graphic and gruesome evidence and testimony? Where is the concern for the boys who never even got to start kindergarten because their lives were stolen from them?

    It literally sickens me to know that they’re more concerned about the accused killer than they are about the dead family that he most likely will be convicted of killing. I don’t know how they sleep at night. I certainly wouldn’t want to be them when they look in the mirror and see what they’re doing.

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    • There are just some people in this world who don’t give a ratz ass who they breed with, hang out with or party with. They have no sense of themselves, let alone others. Sad that this pos has offspring that will have go through their entire lives knowing the kind of man CM really is.

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      • I agree, Veronica. Even if Merritt didn’t kill the family (which I’m convinced he did) he’s been a liar, thief and scam artist his entire adult life and probably before adulthood. He’s not a good man who cared about his family or he would have kept himself out of jail and trouble, not to mention the fact that friends don’t screw over friends. I suspect he would’ve screwed his own family to feed his addiction and need for money.

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  59. From what I’ve read, most of the commenters on the other blog seem to think that everyone needs to view the accused as presumed innocent until proven guilty. Personally I think it’s unreasonable to ask this of the victims families and friends who believe that Merritt is guilty of murdering the family. I’m also not sure how the. DA is supposed to present the facts of their case while presuming the accused is innocent.
    I guess the other blog are supporters of the defense and believe Merritt to be innocent. That’s okay, but it bugs me when they support that belief with outrageous theories, gossip and misinformation garnered from old news bulletins and social sites. Most irritating are the ones who stubbornly cling to their opinions in the face of facts. If a pot of water is boiling at sea level and someone sticks their bare hand in, it doesn’t matter what their opinion is, their hand will burn. It frustrates me to no end to argue with these sorts of people.

    I joined this case the day Merritt was arrested and I was on the fence about his involvement until I read and researched what was available online.
    I believe they have the right guy in custody and am looking forward to hearing all the facts of the case laid out in court.

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    • I get a feeling that a couple of them are quasi-paranoid conspiracy theorists who believe the government is trying to convict an innocent man. They have shot down every bit of compelling evidence that was presented at the preliminary hearing. Instead they go after Mikey and DK rejecting the fact that neither has been arrested and charged with this crime. Do they not realize SBC has ruled the others out? These people eschew facts and they will likely continue to do so during the trial.

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      • Lmao! Just the other day someone over there brought up the subject of political corruption and Sheriff Gore in relation to the McStay murders.
        Stay tuned for DK’s magically evil powers to be in two places at once.

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        • Just Me, to your question about Avery, I don’t think the key was planted. Supposedly it was found after detectives were investigating a stack of pornographic magazines in or on a cabinet and the backing came off and the key fell out. It seems plausible he hid the key back there. He kept the car so he would need the key. It was also found 8 weeks after Halback’s disappearance so if they wanted to plant it, why not do it a lot sooner? Avery’s DNA was on the key. From sweat or skin cells. That can’t be planted.
          The only issue I have with the key, as well as the bullet found, is there a warrant to go back into the house? Warrants have dates as to which they can be issued. They are specifically only to be executed on such date. Did a judge issue a warrant on the house 8 weeks after they had already went through the house multiple times? What would merit that?
          It smells stinky, I admit. But even if you were to throw out the key and bullet found, all the other evidence is still overwhelming. Starting with he was the last to see her and that he called 2 times to get her out there, masking his call.

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          • Thanks Corn. I can’t get past Theresa’s car being found on his property. If he had nothing to do with it her car had no business being concealed on his property. As far as the key and warrant, I sure hope it was on the up and up. These good ol boy governments concern me at times.

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      • A few of them are hung up on OLD wrongfully convicted people. With today’s science and technology it’s not nearly as easy to convict the wrong person, but they seem to have an excuse for everything.

        I read a few comments from the MSM articles and every comment basically said, enough already, let him hang or die. People are sick of his games and he’s not making friends along the way.

        I can’t help but laugh at those claiming Merritt’s new dream team, if it pans out, is going to be amazing. How would they know? Have they been in the courtroom with the potential attorneys? Have they talked to other attorneys to get their opinions about the potential team? Did they determine the potential team is going to be amazing based on how long they’ve been practicing law? The length of time an attorney has been in practice doesn’t necessarily equate to them being any good at what they do. The potential team may in fact be very good but how can the lay people over there determine this unless and until they do some research?

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  60. And her bones found in his burn pit and the burn barrel on the Avery property. Anyone who can put gasoline on a cat and throw it in a bonfire is pretty much capable of anything, imo.

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    • Very true, Murphy. I had forgotten about those gruesome details. Avery seems to be a disgusting animal.

      Wasn’t it posted somewhere that Merritt also injured/tortured the family kitten in front of his children?

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      • J is verbose but clueless. Fleurance is a narcissistic automaton and definitely a Bakerbot. When one claims to be neutral over and over again it’s a sure fire bet she/he is biased. She also claims to have sources that feed her facts. Oh, spare me!

        Okay, rant over.

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      • R. Lane who claimed to have lived with CM on the weekends for a period of time, posted that he witnessed CM swing a cat by its tail until the tail came off. Also alluded to child abuse of some sort that was done in secret.

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    • I forgot to add that I initially felt Brendan Dassey was equally complicit with Avery but someone convinced me that his confession was forced or coerced. I believe he was easily manipulated by Avery.

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      • I agree, Corn. I think Avery was a very scary and intimidating man. If I were in Dassey’s shoes I too might have gone along with whatever Avery wanted. Avery had already killed Theresa so I doubt he’d have a problem killing his own nephew if he thought it would benefit him or help keep him out of prison again.

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      • Corn, from just the few clips that were shown in MAM, I am pretty convinced that Brendan Dassey gave multiple false confessions after investigators kept leading him on and feeding him details. I think his conviction will be overturned.

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  61. Is this the same Jennifer who posts on the other blog? A comment from the link Murphysings inks provided. The article is a year old.

    I believe there is something wrong with this entire JUSTICE SYSTEM case, including the agencies that have been handling the evidence and collection at the crime scene-I believe the judge and the prosecutor’s office and all of the state ‘s lawyers are in some way or fashion to their own person(s) not telling the truth-and have either lied-about the evidence or “staged” evidence “false” against Chase “intentionally” in a “corrupt” manner-because anyone that is INNOCENT themselves-can see right through this case-“Chase is Innocent” 100%. and the guilty are 3 adults (family and or close to the victims) that murdered the 4 family members-with out a doubt-it is NO SECRET-to who those are. Jennifer

    http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20150403/charles-merritt-granted-six-week-delay-in-mcstay-murder-trial#disqus_thread

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    • Someone need to post that comment and link to the other blog. I can’t I’m not a member and won’t join on there. My bet it is the same person.

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      • Which comment is petty and irrelevant, Fran? If you’re referring to the one about the article and Jennifer I think it’s a good question. However, I don’t think it’s the same Jennifer because in the beginning Jennifer used the name Richard and then Maeve, or vice versa. I don’t think she’s been going by Jennifer until recently when she got banned from Dulys site and started posting again under Jennifer thinking nobody would catch on.

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        • Yes, I was referring to my comment about Jennifer’s comment.
          I think you’re right, and its probably not the same person. It’s impossible to know.
          I had regrets about posting it when I thought about how I would feel about someone attributing anonymous comments made on line to me.
          RB did that a lot on his site. Ugh.

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        • The SB Sun article Jennifer isn’t Maeve. She is another Deirdre type of person ;). Spotted her a few years ago posting crazy stuff about the McStay murders.

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  62. I hate to admit it but I was reading the other blogs so called experts and their theories. What struck me is, if this case weren’t such a heinous and senseless killing, the commenters and their theories would be hilarious.

    Now we have “Rose” (wasn’t someone in Chases family named Rose), posting a theory that if it is true, this crime is even more diabolical, and Chase is even more psychotic and definitely more vicious a criminal and crueler than any one knows or can comprehend. Knowing what we know now I think Rose is describing the possible real Chase Merritt. Just the viciousness of his actions tends to make one believe what Rose says about stuffing shop towels in mouths even in two small defense little boys. This is a true KILLER!

    This just proves the lengths people will go to try to gain attention or to try to prove a theory they have. This is not to mention that if it is a family member of CM, it shows that there are no boundaries or limits they will not go to, to try to make Chase seem as if he’s not guilty to the people on that site. Truly a statistical person.

    Just she not see how idiotic this is:

    Rose
    February 13, 20161:15 pm

    They might have been taken to another location prior to the grave location. Shoes and coats could have been left behind and thrown away prior to transport to the graves. Painter’s tape from the home could have been taken and used to bind hands and feet at some point during capture. Shop towels from the home might have been stuffed in the mouths of the family to keep them quiet. Again this is all speculation in an effort to answer your question, Jennifer.

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  63. Another one with crazy ideas with no fact. Please tell me what warehouse Joseph had? Joseph didn’t have a warehouse! These people just continue to make up whatever they want and treat it as fact. This Madison and Rose are two of the worst.

    Madison
    February 13, 20161:10 pm Reply

    I always wondered if it was the warehouse that Joey had. I don’t believe it was searched by SD when they first went missing.

    Or like Rose said. Were they subdued and taken from the house and killed at rage gravesite?

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  64. Do any of these people read what they write? How dumb is this statement? If this isn’t a contradictory statement, then what in the hell is? It just shows the talking to hear themselves talk. From another one of the worst so called experts.

    First SDSD Dugal said in the very first days he thought something bad happened in the house. The SDSD did their investigation no matter how bad we may think it was, They did believe something may have occurred in the house. So to say tromping through the house by Tim and others would be wrong because the house was believed to have been released at that point. Second at that point many people believed that something happened or the family was lured from the home from the beginning.

    These people just seek to find others to blame or make excuses but have no real facts or proof of any of their wild accusations.

    Jennifer
    February 13, 20162:04 pm Reply

    You have dozens of people tromping through the McStay home, right after they were thought to be killed there—yet not one person–not police–not Tim Miller–not family, not ONE person thought a crime had been committed IN the home.

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    • Spinsters on the road to nowhere. Pay them no mind because credibility of the source is less than zero. From the evidence it can be surmised McStays were murdered in the home, taken completely off-guard, and victims in vulnerable position during the moment of assault due to lack of outdoor clothing and lack of defensive injuries to at least 2 of the victims. No one is going to stand there and let you smash their head until dead. If there were any indication death was about to strike Summer and Gianni would’ve make involuntary physical reflex action to defend against attack. Survival instinct. We all have it. Fight or flight. There are no broken bones other than fatal skull fractures. Says to me victims didn’t see it coming and had no chance to defend themselves. Defendant would never give them the change to fight back in a 4-1 combative scenario to the death and he planned it that way. The idea the McStays were transported out of the home and killed elsewhere is laughable in its utter illogical attempt as viable compared to what we already know from hard evidence presented in court. So this will be my last comment on the hater trolls because there is nothing of value in such nonsense and I shouldn’t feed trolls.

      So let’s hope Judge Smith holds Merritt to schedule and get this trial going, yes!

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      • Karmatea, you are oh so right. In my humble opinion.

        I have been giving this some thought lately (after deciding to let it go). For those who comment about the ridiculous statements on the other blob, it gives a sense of “sticking it to them”. How do I know? Cause that is exactly how I felt when I did it. Now I don’t pretend to know how everyone else feels about the subject. Again, just my humble opinion. And I don’t mean to step on any toes – or fingers.

        So please don’t throw stones my way. Just wanted to add my 2 cents, heck maybe only worth 1 cent!

        Repeating myself again but thanks to the Corn and everyone else who comments here.

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    • I think part of the reason it was a missing persons case and not homicide was the lack of forced entry. All the doors and windows were locked, except that one back window left open a crack. It was logical at the time to think that J or S locked the doors when they left the home. Joey’s wallet, Summer’s purse, keys and cell phones were missing…..then the trooper was found at the border.
      The dogs left unattended, the double stroller and Summers prescription glasses all left behind were a mystery and suggested the family must have left in a hurry or were abducted.
      The lack of blood in the home may have been because the victims were incapacitated with one or two blows of the hammer and dragged to a confined space like a shower stall. Maybe their heads were wrapped in a towel before being bludgeoned further. Too horrible to think about.
      The killer had ample time to clean and paint and cover up.
      The victims could have been placed in boxes or containers and carried out of the house and transported in the truck without a lot of leakage.

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  65. All I can say about the other blog is that some of the posters have the imagination of a 6 year old child. Nonsensical and somewhat amusing if this wasn’t such a true and real story versus cartoons on TV.

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  66. I saw that, Just Me. Many of the posts are wildly nonsensical, totally improbable scenarios – i.e., the family was lured out and killed at the gravesite and their shoes and coats removed before burial. WHAT?

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  67. When was the steph watts video made? I’m just wondering because if it was within a week of the family missing, why would Mike say he would back up all their SD cards? For the record, I do not believe Mike murdered the family, I am just confused to this after watching the videos again.

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  68. Never mind, I see it was quite a few weeks to a month later. Surely, they knew by then….they were likely not on vacation. This case is so hard, emotionally I can’t even go here. I wish Chase would do one dent thing in his life and just confess if it’s the truth. God knows who did it, he may escape the punishment of the courts, but never the punishment of God. The fresh injury on his hand bothers me. Its just too much. Baker back on the case again in a way he never expected. I can only hope his balls will be nailed to the wall and that’s why he can’t give a statement. Those babies. Agh.

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  69. Troll, I don’t think he is going to escape the punishment of the court but I believe that is exactly what he is trying to do. He is a coward. If he had committed this crime in my state he would already be on Death Row.

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  70. Posted by Baker earlier today on his FB (https://www.facebook.com/rickgbakerauthor/?fref=nf):

    Ok, here is the McStay gravesite video. After this was posted and went viral, some McStay family member apparently put up a real grave stone, but not until after this was presented. Just shows how screwed up the whole case is, and especially the extended family members. Very sad.

    He literally makes me ill. And to think some people worship him like a God is just fucking crazy!

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    • Viral? He removed it from YouTube, so there’s no way to verify how many people actually viewed the video.
      It’s despicable of him to suggest that it was public shaming that was the motivation for the families to erect that beautiful headstone.
      So much for his promises to keep his mouth shut: no social media blogs or tweets about the McStay’s.

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    • Viral? It did not go viral. What a blooming idiot. I can’t believe he put this back up, but then again….

      The truth is the headstone was ordered and made long before asswipe made his video. But he knows so much, like he knew Summer Killed Joseph or when he knew the family was beheaded or when he was “duped” by Chavez. Genius.

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      • I think fakers video got slightly over 2000 views. The lions share of those views were probably Faker himself admiring his handy work, and the four or five bakerbot followers.
        iDefinitely not viral!

        According to adweek.com

        In a recent blog post, YouTube weblebrity Kevin Nalty, aka Nalts, asks the question “How many views do you need to be viral?” He says, “A few years ago, a video could be considered “viral” if it hit a million views.” But Nalts is updating that definition. He says, “A video, I submit, is “viral” if it gets more than 5 million views in a 3-7 day period.”

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      • I am beyond disgusted by his attempt to take credit for the headstone. This man’s delusions are clearly out of control.
        Corn I do remember the multiple times you talked about the headstone being on order. Of course, you were ignored by Baker and his band of blind followers.

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        • Of course Baker would ignore Corn and anyone else who tried to tell him the truth. If he’s being honest about things then he’s not able to perpetuate his weird obsession with making the McStays look bad. I’ve always thought it was odd that although the Aranda’s did and did not do many of the same things Baker accused the McStays of, for some reason he (thankfully) left them alone. I think the Aranda’s were very wise to keep so quiet, however, both families needed a spokesperson to help spread the word when the family vanished and when Michael stepped up he unjustifiably became a target for those who wanted to spread lies and rumors. Yep, talkin’ ’bout you, Baker.

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  71. Sorry but I was reading on the other blog and a few of the people there continue to twist, omit or sway information and facts to appear of there crazy ideas or conclusions.

    One of the most interesting they are now trying to persuade people into believing is the so called lack of blood in the Avocado Vista home. They go on and on about the first investigation done by the SDSD and the fact that no luminal test were done. They also go on about comments from the defense that there was no blood found in the home. They talk about the SD detectives saying there was no blood from the McStay’s found either.

    Now what is so interesting is that who in their right mind would believe the LE would tell them all of what they found or didn’t find in the house or anywhere else. Also who believes the defense would tell the truth because if there were blood found, I’m sure they would want that information released to the public until the trial or after they were able to explain it away. Remember LE is under no obligation to release information or evidence of this case to anyone in the media or public until trial. Remember LE withholds information deliberately to catch the accused in lies and to also disprove an or shed light on an alibi that is flawed.

    So for all this conversation about there being no blood found in the house, might just be done to mislead or conceal the facts until trial. I’m sure they have evidence that we have no idea they have. Now there is also the possibility that the blood stains were cleaned using bleach. Now bleach will remove the blood stain, but it will leave telltale signs of it’s use. So if the stains were removed and painted over, once blood stain detecting chemicals were used, they showed evidence of the bleach use, but no blood. So the LE simply states there was no blood found to withhold or to mislead the accused and public. There are many more reasons for information to be withheld until trial and we have no idea of all the evidence the LE has or doesn’t have. We will find out at the trial and not until then will we know the truth of the evidence the SBCSD has.

    So as you can see the bs being thrown around on that other blog is just that, BS! Spin to fit what they want you to believe and certainly not the real truth or founded in facts.

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  72. murphysings

    I think any smells might have dissipated and it would hard to detect some smells after approximately 11 days. Remember the SDSD didn’t enter the house until Feb 15, 2010. Also anyone cleaning the house I think would probably have windows open while cleaning with bleach or other strong chemicals. They could have left windows in the back of the house open, because remember I think it was the 9th or 10th that it was said CM checked on the house and stopped at Joseph’s mothers house on that day. He could have entered the house and closed windows after leaving them open for several days.

    Just some of my thoughts although we have no proof of this being what happened.

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    • I’m positive LE didn’t lay out everything at the prelim. I’m sure they only laid out enough to convince the Judge that Merritt needs to stay looked up and tried. I also think LE may in fact have a smoking gun, regardless of what was stated at the prelim.

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    • Yes, I know the time frame but odors in a house that had only one window cracked can hang around awhile. For example, my mother had her guest room painted ten days before I came home for a visit, and I still had to open the windows and put the ceiling fan on to get the smell out. I seem to recall someone mentioning the smell of paint in the home. Didn’t McGyver mention it?

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      • The smell of fresh paint was mentioned during the preliminary. Also mentioned was an open paint can and a tray of paint which would have added to the fumes exhausting from the walls.
        Susan in one of the cnn interviews mentioned “horrible smells” which she thought was from garbage and dirty diapers. IMO lots of competing doors were present to mask and confuse the ordinary human nose. Ive always thought the killer may have added raw chicken to the garbage, because that can produce a horrible reek.

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      • I don’t think Merritt is this smart but anything is possible, ozonators get rid of paint smell easily and quickly. So it can be done. They have miniature ozonators that work quite well, one is made by A to Z, amazon for about $65. I have one. Professionals use them to get rid of black mold smell too. They’r used to make old cars smell like new. The molecules literally destroy odors, not mask them.
        “Using an ozone device to rid a room of paint odor is a quick, easy and efficient solution to problem people have been facing for years all over the world.”

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  73. I just re-read the transcripts from the prelim. When testifyimg about his discussion with the new owners about changes they made to the McStay home, the SBC detective mentioned that they put in wood floors and new baseboards downstairs and replaced the downstairs bathroom floor. We have wondered where in the home the McStays were killed. Is it possible that the new owners came across evidence during their own renovations without realizing the relevance until the remains were found? If they are on the list of prosecution witnesses we will know.

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  74. It would have been brown stains by then. But, if they had seen anything and on testing it was blood, one would think we would have heard about it.

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    • I don’t know, Murphy. Maybe that’s one of the things being held back and I’m sure the defense wouldn’t want to say anything about it, would they? Hmmm, interesting.

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    • We don’t know if the floors and baseboards were replaced by the owners or by a hired contractor. It’s possible that if stains were observed they may have been cleaned during the installation of the new flooring and baseboards.
      I think if blood evidence had been found in the house that linked directly to the McStay’s, this would have been presented at the preliminary. What I do expect to hear about is evidence of blood stains that were cleaned up, either by the killer or by the new owners who may have mistaken the blood for some other substance left behind during construction.
      I’m just itching for the trial to get underway.

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  75. Fran, that was my point. If there were stains they may been cleaned up without a second thought since no one knew the McStays had been murdered until their remains were found. I so hope there will be evidence presented that certain areas were cleaned before they were painted.

    I, too, am so ready for the trial to start!

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    • It will be awesome if their forensic evidence is backed up with an eye witness account of discovering staining.

      There’s an infra red light camera that can detect blood spatter under as many as six layers of paint but I’m not sure if it detects bleach under paint.
      Maybe LE was able to detect a fine high velocity spatter pattern on a ceiling or wall that was not cleaned but simply painted over.
      Do you think If they found something like that they would take the time to cut the wall section out and in the lab peel back the indivual layers of paint to try and get a DNA sample? Or would they just use the photos, or if they used luminol then those results, as is?
      Hope I’m making sense here.

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  76. If I moved into a home and knew that the owners had disappeared, I wonder if I’d take notice if I saw something resembling blood or if I’d just keep on going about my business?

    I’m also extremely anxious for the trial to start. I’m so curious to see if some of the things we’ve been theorizing will come to fruition or if we’ve been completely off. I have to admit I was more than a little shocked at what I heard at the prelim and I imagine that’s what will happen once we start seeing and hearing the evidence. I’m also really curious to find out if this case is as complicated as I think it is or if I’ve been over thinking everything and it’s actually quite simple. Either way, the trial can’t start soon enough!

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  77. This is a prime example of how this person has repeatedly made false claims and attempts to prove Merritt’s innocence. The find bits and pieces and try to connect them as proof of what they want people to believe. Just more tripe!

    Show us some recorded actual records filed with the county or state records of ownership. Show us some IRS or accounting records of partnership filings. Show us were CM listed himself as a partner in EIP. Prove were people have stated they were partners, like family, friends, SDSO, FBI, SBCSO, state licensing. They can’t because there was no such partnership, just attempts to make people believe there was a partnership because these people believe that will take away a motive of the murders because they claim there was no theft or forgery by Merritt. Garbage, just garbage, CM had stolen money and ripped Joseph off a number of times along with costing EIP and Joseph thousands of dollars. CM was also causing problems with the fountain fabrications which was affecting EIP’s superior product reputation. He had absolute motive!

    Here is a failed attempt to again try to make people believe more lies. Show us were Joseph was on the lease or any lease for “idesign4u” or any of Merritt’s businesses. Were is the partnership filing? Just using an address is not proof of anything other than it is an old business practice used to make a business seem more than it is. It’s done all the time and is not illegal!

    Dave IJ
    February 15, 201611:25 pm Reply

    Screen shot . DEC 19TH 2008 .. jOSEPH IS USING CHASE’S MISSION BLVD SHOP AS WHAREHOUSE
    EIP STILL ONE NUMBER 949-274-4674 .. NO CUSTOM AND NO 949-436-5295

    http://web.archive.org/web/20081219184901/http://www.earthinspiredproducts.com/about-us.htm

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      • Fran,
        Thank you for finding and posting the video. To discuss and read about the evidence is one thing but to listen to someone talk about it is another thing. The video only reaffirmed to me why I believe Merritt is the killer. There are too many “coincidences” that I don’t think the defense is going to be able to explain away. One of their biggest hurdles, in my opinion, is the QB activity, talking about the McStays in the past tense and Merritt not being able to keep his stories straight. I know damn well if my best friend and family were murdered I’d remember the most minute details regardless of their significance yet Merritt had fuzzy memories – when it was convenient.

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        • It has been said that if you tell the truth you don’t have to struggle to remember all your lies.

          SBC has said that Merritt’s memory of the day was pretty good until it came to the lunch with Joey. He couldn’t recall when the lunch ended. Merritt’s memory became even fuzzier when the clock struck 5:00 pm.

          I think Merritt’s memory was fuzzy because he didn’t know what evidence SBC had. Did they have an eye witness? Someone who saw his truck in the neighborhood? He had no way of knowing, so he claimed he couldn’t remember what he was doing.

          I think Merritt’s lies served him well in the years leading up to the murders. What he seriously underestimated is the razor sharp focus of detectives when they are trying to solve the bludgeoning muders of two tiny boys and their loving parents.

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          • Absolutely, Murphy. Merritt has a memory of convenience. Fortunately the detectives have a sole purpose and don’t need to rely on lies and shoddy memories. Thank you SBSO!

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        • For me also. The number #1 best evidence IMO is Merritt speaking to police for at least 15 minutes referring to every member of the family in the PAST TENSE. No on dos this, not in any language! If he did it once, I’d let it pass but it was every time and in every answer: Police: “How tall is Joseph?” Merritt: “He was about…, he was shorter than me…”

          Who does this at a time people only think the family is missing or went on a vacation? No one!

          GUILTY!

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  78. Here is another attempt by the Merritt supporters. They try everything possible to illuminate a motive for the murders. They continually try to take away any motive when it is clear that Merritt had huge motives. This is another attempt to spin and contrive and just plain lie trying to make people believe what does not exist.

    If they really have proof then show it and stop all the phony attempts to link information that is just pure garbage and has no fact. All this person has posted is purely lacking any link or direct link to a partnership.

    If there were a partnership all they would have to do is show links or documents that clearly show the two were partners. They can’t because they don’t exist because they weren’t partners. Were are the county records? How about the state tax licenses? Were are the IRS tax filings showing a partnership filing? Now yo say we don’t have IRS tax records, oh but we do. We know a person posted Joseph’s tax return and it did not list a partnership or filing for such. Joseph filed as an individual business owner not a partner in business. We also have Merritt who himself stated they were not partners and that he owned his business (idesign4u) and some others in the past, but none had Joseph as a partner. We know the only partner ever in EIP was Joseph’s Father and that was in the past (those records have been posted also). If they were partners where is Joseph’s or EIP’s name on any lease with Merritt for any warehouse or property? Why aren’t Merritt’s cell bills paid by EIP or Joseph, or EIP checks or account payments made for Merritt’s phones? Merritt was no a partner with EIP, Joseph and never was in any way a partner or owner. Just more people lying and trying to grab at papers and try to link them when there is no linkage but what they make up and try to spin.

    Now if Joseph or EIP had Merritt as a partner or they were partners, why is Josephs or EIP’s name not listed in partnership papers anywhere. Why was Merritt not a signer on the EIP bank account or any account of Joseph’s. Where were the standard insurance policy usually taken out on the partners to protect one and other. Why would Joseph’s personal finances be mingled with the EIP quickbooks records. Why did Merritt forge checks from the EIP qb account. Why did Merritt call qb and try to have the EIP records and account cancelled using Joseph’s name pretending to be Joseph. I could go on and on. This is just another person trying to phony up information and just blain lie to make it seem as if they found or know something more than what is truth. They try to spin and all they do is show their real ignorance and show Merritt to be appear even more guilty than has been shown so far.

    They just don’t learn do they!

    Dave IJ
    February 15, 201611:25 pm Reply

    Screen shot . DEC 19TH 2008 .. jOSEPH IS USING CHASE’S MISSION BLVD SHOP AS WHAREHOUSE
    EIP STILL ONE NUMBER 949-274-4674 .. NO CUSTOM AND NO 949-436-5295

    http://web.archive.org/web/20081219184901/http://www.earthinspiredproducts.com/about-us.htm

    Dave IJ
    February 15, 201611:25 pm Reply

    Screen shot . DEC 19TH 2008 .. jOSEPH IS USING CHASE’S MISSION BLVD SHOP AS WHAREHOUSE
    EIP STILL ONE NUMBER 949-274-4674 .. NO CUSTOM AND NO 949-436-5295

    http://web.archive.org/web/20081219184901/http://www.earthinspiredproducts.com/about-us.htm

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  79. I just noticed a conversation involving this Rose person trying to sway people into believing CM didn’t kill the McStay family. According to Suzzy and Just Me, this Rose uses could haves, would haves, assumptions and maybes in her speeches but never backs them with fact. Then when asked for proof Rose never supplies any. So in comes Dave IJ who is also known for the same attempts as Rose to try to seem like they are an expert and he/she tries to back Rose up with proof. Too bad the proof is always wrong and Dave IJ is caught screwing up again..

    Take the latest attempt to sway or spin statements made by Patrick in an interview with Randy K of CNN. This Dave IJ use the transcript to talk about a check received by Joseph. Dave claims it proves that CM had permission from Joseph to make checks out to himself and a company. Dave tries to claim the check was mailed to a shop in Pomona that belonged to CM and he gave the check to Joseph at lunch. He also claimed earlier that that address was part of the proof CM and Joseph were partners. However CM has stated they were never partners and there are no papers from anyone that shows any such partnership existed. This Dave uses this to say the check was mailed to the Pomona address and when CM met Joseph on the “afternoon” of the 4th, CM gave JM the check.

    The problem with the Dave IJ so called use of the Randy K interview with Patrick, proves this Dave is really dumb or can’t even reason with or read what is right in front of them. Per the interview and transcript with Randy K, Patrick stated he talked to Joseph earlier the “morning of the 4th” and Joseph had just received a large check at the house and was going to deposit it when he met with CM that “afternoon” because there was a branch of his bank in RC. So these attempts to spin and try to change the truth always gets thrown right back in their face with the very information and papers they use trying to use as proof of CM not doing something or being somewhere or not and that he had Joseph’s approval to write checks or us the QB account to write checks. Sounds more like CM was afraid because he hadn’t paid the metal company from his company and what he had planed would be discovered and he couldn’t have that happening. He was afraid that his plans for Joseph might be found out, when the metal company tried later to contact Joseph and CM’s acts would be discovered.
    Remember that would also prove premeditation.

    Just more spin and attempts to sway people with no proof just spin!

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  80. This was also very telling to me reading this Dave IJ’s use of media reports. This person claims to be getting mail from this doctor and reading the mail. So is this person admitting to reading the mail addressed to Joseph or EIP? If so are they admitting to committing mail fraud which is a federal offense. Now maybe this was a fountain that CM sold using EIP and Joseph’s name and had the check and paperwork mailed to the Pomona address that belonged to only CM. Sounds more like what CM does and has done in his shading past. He ripped people off, stole from friends, partners and his own employees. So ripping Joseph off would seem like just good old standard business for CM.

    How would this person know what the letters said unless they opened mail that didn’t belong to them?

    Here is the quote Dave IJ posted:

    DAVE WHITE THE NEW TENATE SAID…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508766/Mystery
    -McStay-money-Family-dead-barely-afford-rent-despite-100k-bank.html

    ‘After I moved in I got a lot of their mail, which they obviously
    hadn’t redirected. I kept getting letters from attorney’s
    representing a doctor’s surgery outside of California.

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    • I should probably just stop responding to Dave’s posts. He’s missing a few links in his logic chain and doesn’t really seem to care what other people have to say about his theories.

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  81. Agreed Fran! Here’s an interesting piece of information. In information from prior searches there were connections made that Merritt’s family had ties in some way to a motorcycle gang. There was also a report about one of Merritt’s family members relatives were arrested and charge for beating a man severely and he had to be hospitalized because of the severity of his injuries. These same family members are said to have criminal records as does their father. This is an interesting site to read.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagos_Motorcycle_Club

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  82. Fran, I guess what they say is true. You can’t reason or have an intelligent conversation with stupidity! Your right maybe I should stop too because their stupidity just means they will just bring on more stupidity!

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      • Tom Vang usually brings a no-nonsense, no bullshit attitude which I very very appreciate! Some of the others on that blog just cackle to listen to themselves. Oh, hello Jennifer and Maeve. How ya going?

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  83. I think every one of us would be wise to stop reading that blog. Not only can you not fix stupid but you can’t make sense out of nonsense. I think a couple of reasons a few of them want so badly for Merritt to be found not guilty is because they then think they’ll be “right”. Have you noticed they argue until they think they’re right? I also think a few of them have such a dislike of MM and DK and have convinced themselves that they are complicit in one way or another so by Merritt not committing the crime(s) then surely it had to be DK and/or MM, in their simple little minds anyway.

    I get myself so frustrated and pissed off at their illogical thinking that I want to throw my tablet. It’s pointless trying to reason with them because they end up veering off course until they think they’re right. Sorry. Rant over.

    Here’s to hoping Corn starts a new thread soon or Merritt confesses. 😉

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    • Just Me, I’m positive that several of the spinning twister are members of Merritt’s family. People need to check out the Vegas Motorcycle Gang. It is said that some of Merritt’s family belong to that gang. I find that interesting and also wonder if CM had connections himself.

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      • Rob,
        In my opinion it’s a stretch to think the Vagos were in any way involved. IF they were I’m sure they didn’t know it. It would take a lot to get another person involved in the murders of two little boys, even if they are known as a nefarious biker gang. What would they gain? I could be wrong but I’m not feeling it.

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        • Just Me, I think his point wasn’t that they were involved. It was that family character of Merritt. If anyone was involved I think it was after the fact and only to repay a debt. Could be as simply as helping with the burial.

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          • Rob,
            Now I understand what you’re saying. Sorry, I was confused. I know the Vagos do some really shady things but I still don’t think they would knowingly be involved in a murder case unless it directly involved one of their own or would be highly beneficial to them or the club. I think there’s a high possibility of a Merritt family member being involved whether knowingly or not.

            So many questions and still so few answers. Ugh.

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  84. I’m trying to figure out how mental midgets still believe MM stopping at a Starbucks in Adelanto bares any relevance to this case.

    Adelanto lies on highway 395, one of the most frequently traveled routes in Southern California. MM had done jobs all over SoCal – high desert, Big Bear, San Diego, LA, etc.

    Let’s talk about Merritt’s familiarity with the Mohave desert, specifically the Oro Grande mountain area.

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  85. The devil is in the details in a criminal trial. The paint drip onto Summer’s bra which had to occur when she/her body was horizontal will be a detail that will stick in the jurors’ minds, imo. That piece of evidence suggests CM was painting as Summer was lying on the floor.

    I re-watched the Tim Miller walk through and noted that the mattresses had no sheets on them. Who stripped them and why?

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  86. Add another alias for Charles Ray Merritt:

    a.k.a. “Chase Jarvis”

    What an upstanding businessman, hmm?

    —————————————————————————–

    Case SMCVS1100546 – ENDURA STEEL V JARVIS
    Action:

    SMALL CLAIMS HEARING
    04/29/2011 – 10:00 AM DEPT. V14

    MINUTES UPDATED BY CATHY HOWDEN
    PATRICK L SINGER, COMMISSIONER
    CLERK: EILEEN CHRISTIANSEN

    APPEARANCES:
    ENDURA STEEL INC REPRESENTED BY DELONNA HOOD.
    DEFENDANT CATHERINE JARVIS PRESENT
    PARTIES NOT PRESENT: CHASE JARVIS

    PROCEEDINGS:
    PRE-DISPOSITION HEARING HELD.
    SMALL CLAIMS REFERRAL TO MEDIATION
    STIPULATED JUDGMENT RECEIVED SIGNED AND FILED.

    COURT FINDS:
    IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED THAT JUDGMENT SHALL BE ENTERED AS FOLLOWS:
    JUDGMENT FOR: ENDURA STEEL INC
    JUDGMENT AGAINST: CATHERINE JARVIS, CHASE JARVIS
    JUDGMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF: PRINCIPAL $429.24 INTEREST $0.00 ATTORNEY FEES $0.00 COSTS $200.00 AND DAMAGES $0.00.
    JUDGMENT TOTAL IS: $629.24
    (SEE STIPULATED JUDGMENT FOR PARTICULARS)
    MONEY JUDGMENT SHALL BE PAID AT THE RATE OF $90.00 PER MONTH BEGINNING 05/15/11. EACH PAYMENT THEREAFTER SHALL BE DUE ON THE 15TH DAY OF EACH FOLLOWING MONTH.
    IF THE DEFENDANT SHOULD DEFAULT ON ANY TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, THE ENTIRE JUDGMENT SHALL BECOME IMMEDIATELY DUE.
    JUDGMENT SIGNED.
    STAGE AT DISPOSITION: ENTRY OF JUDGMENT – UNCONTESTED (SC)
    DISPOSITION: ENTRY OF JUDGMENT – UNCONTESTED (SC)
    ACTION – COMPLETE
    === MINUTE ORDER END ===

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    • I think that name thing is probably a misnomer but who knows. Maybe this was Chase’s way of staying under the radar. I would be curious to know if he did use another name while dealing with other clients and business partners but it doesn’t appear so.

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  87. Caught Again! Wow, I never cease to be amazed at the stories and fables being spun on that other blog. Now this Jenifer has all these ideas about the murderer and how or why they did this or did that. The killer had to know the area, but yet the killer didn’t need to know the area. But wait this is such a bad area and there is even a Motel 6 in the area that bad people hang out at. So many if’s and could be’s or maybe’s except the fact that CM knew the area well, grew up in the area, hung out in the desert prospecting. So how does that poster know what or where CM prospect and what area he didn’t prospect in. There is also the fact that his sister lived within five miles of the graves.

    This Jennifer person and a few others (like Rose who I think is one of Chases family) who spin all this junk about this or that and they have no proof just talk. If you look at an object at night in the dark, it will eventually take shape. It will take the shape of what you mind sees or wants to see. This is exactly what is happening hear with all this crap these people are throwing out. They are helping or solving anything, no, all they are doing is confusing others and deliberately spreading bad information with no validity to 99% of the bs they are spreading.

    How about this, so one night a bunch of these bad people who hung out at the Motel 6 by the graves. They decided they were going to drive 100 miles south to Fallbrook, kill a family of four, drive the victims SUV to the Mexican border and then take the bodies 100 mils north and bury them in the desert close to where they hang out. Wow, what a genius plan! So now did these killers who hang out at this Motel 6, did they not know the area like this Jennifer and others said they think the killers didn’t know the desert area where they buried the remains. Or did they know the area because they hung out there so they wanted the remains close by.

    Are these people on that blog that dumb? They say one thing then another and it’s all just to talk. No facts, no proof, just stupid comments. Such brilliant deducts, let’s throw as much mud on the wall and see how much we can get to stick! Really!

    This to me is just a few talking because they really know nothing and they think they will be the saviors and solve the case. Then you have CM family member mixed in trying to muddy the waters thinking this will get CM off.

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  88. Correction: Should say “They aren’t helping solve”

    Not: They are helping or solving anything, no, all they are doing is confusing others and deliberately spreading bad information with no validity to 99% of the bs they are spreading.

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  89. Rob, I have noticed that when someone tries to interject a fact or focus the topic on CM, none of them can tolerate it. They behave as if no one has been charged with this crime.

    It is essentially a Baker blog, nothing more. Lots of dimwits.

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    • Agree murphysings. That other blog just shows that most of the activity on Baker’s old blog was written by just a handful of people obsessed with Mike, Dan, Susan, etc. All those goons want is for Baker’s book to be presented at trial so they all can gloat at Mike M and Dan K squirming on the witness stand. I don’t think they give a crap about Chase Merritt (except his possible family members) as long as Mike and the others are forced to answer their burning accusations in court. It’s really rather pathetic that a group of people on the Internet can become so vengeful toward people they’ve never met, based only on a bunch of spin written by a dishonest blogger. smh

      I think they will be very disappointed when this trial finally gets underway. I think the evidence against Merritt will be so compelling that the defense will have it’s hands full just trying to counter the State’s case. I think Merritt’s defense will look desperate if they try to smear the murder victims’ family/friends. First, Merritt needs to find counsel willing to represent him. I guess we’ll see what happens next week.

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      • I think past attorneys advised to plea to avoid the death sentence and he still thinks that he should be freed. It would explain the attorney shuffle.
        Also, I find it truly sad that people gain some kind of twisted satisfaction in attacking the victims family with literally zero proof of anything. Pathetic.

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      • Redagave, I agree. I never knew about Baker until after the McStay’s bodies were found. I was googling to see if I could find more information about the investigation and his name came up. I could only read his blog for a few minutes at a time because he came across as a pathological, self-aggrandizing narcissist. I agree there were only a handful of hateful people posting there. I will never read his book of lies.

        Rose and Dave IJ say they can’t wait until the attorneys get MM and DK on the witness stand. What they don’t understand is that the defense will have to tread lightly when it comes to cross-examining family members or they will risk alienating the jurors. The minute MM starts weeping, the jury will see the horrific magnitude of the loss in his eyes. It will be the same with Susan and the Arandas. The jurors will hear the horrible details of the injuries CM inflicted on those babies and how he overkilled Summer and Gianni. I think in the end the slaughter of those innocents will put him on death row.

        Unlike the mindless Baker Bots on the other blog I think SBC has charged the right man. CM can try to put off the trial as long as he can but his day of reckoning is coming.

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  90. I found these recent comments from this Rose person on the other blog. It again shows they really know nothing and make things up.

    First where has been it ever said anywhere that Josey spoke to his dad after 5 pm? So here we have another lie by Rose trying to sneak in something that has never been said anywhere or by anyone certainly not Patrick. These people keep trying to slide this stuff in so they can later refer to it and then claim it’s fact.

    I also saw where they used RB so called documents or financials in calculating the cost of fountains. RB claims they were Joseph’s papers and figures. Oh and we are suppose to believe RB after he has admitted to repeatedly creating false paperwork, even emails and lying???

    I’m sure Rose and others will be completely surprised when they hear the whole story on who, when and what loses there really were. As I recall Patrick did talk about Joseph’s problems with CM and the charge backs and had proof from before the 4th, back into 2009.

    So again I say this Rose is a Merritt relation and it’s alright to defend your family, but making up false statements and outright lying to accuse the victims family for what is absolutely false. That just shows the character and the lengths the Merritt’s will go to, to hide his crimes.

    RoseFebruary 19, 20166:54 amReply
    I wonder why these charge backs were never discussed prior to the arrest? Patrick would have been screaming from the high heavens about it just as he was screaming about Dan stealing Joey’s money and illegally selling EIP.

    RoseFebruary 19, 20167:13 amReply
    Interesting, if true.
    “…he spoke to his dad from home after 5pm.”

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    • Yes. Rick and his gang all believe the information about the charge backs the gambling debt and the fact Merritt was going to be fired, that was revealed in the last cnn show was all made up after Merritt’s arrest.
      They think that the family are lying and that LE is stupid.
      I’m not holding my breath that any of them will be surprised at trial. I expect them to continue to say that everyone else but Merritt are liars.

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    • Funny I remember Patrick talking about the bad work and chargebacks Chase caused long before the remains were found in VV. As I recall Patrick spoke of chargebacks caused by Chase that happened as far back as 2008. He also spoke of Joseph being very unhappy with Chase and bad work. So here we are again with all this misinformation coming from people who really want to only cause trouble for the prosecution. If you notice they can never show proof of things they say when it negative or goes against Chase. But when it favors Chase it seems they can find links or where someone said something.

      When it favors Chase they use it, when it proves Chase lied or proof of his different stories or LOST MEMORY ( but remembers right before and right after some event) they change the subject or ignore it!

      Just the same old things because they know he and they are lying!

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  91. This is what I’m talking about. Rose and others chooses to believe Rick is the ultimate authority and the nfo in his book and old blog is more accurate than what will be presented by LE at trial.
    She implies that if the info is different it is the family or DK that has fudged the numbers.

    Rose
    February 19, 20166:50 am
    Rick had a spreadsheet of the financials posted on his first blog. I’d love to see that one again. It showed Chase’s share vs Joey’s. Will they match up with what will be presented in court. I imagine a lot of hands were on those books prior to handing them over to the authorities.

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  92. Let’s look at just some of what Joseph did for Chase and his family:

    1) Joseph hires Chase and trust him even with Chase know criminal background.
    2) Joseph drive to RC at least once a week and has dinner with Chase and his family and a most of the meals (if not all) are paid for by Joseph.
    3) Joseph covers all the loses Chase causes.
    4) Joseph give or loans Chase 30k to pay his gambling debts.
    5) Chase violates a ten year old probation in a felony conviction and he goes to jail for two months. Joseph continues to give Chase’s wife or mother of his children money to survive and pay bills the entire time Chase is in jail.
    6) Chase tells Joseph he was robbed and his tools stolen. So Joseph either loans or give Chase thousands to replace his tools.
    7) Then Chase tells Joseph a second time his warehouse was broken into and tools stolen. Joseph a second time either loans or gives Chase money to replace the tools.
    8) Joseph uses high quality parts for the pools but Chase is caught billing for more expensive parts when he is using cheap parts.
    9) Chase’s quality of work has been shoddy and caused charge backs and additional repair costs to Joseph.
    10) Chase keeps putting Joseph’s wife down telling Joseph she’s no good for him.
    11) It is said there is proof of Chase owing Joseph in excess 100K.

    This is all information that has been disgusted by the prelim, CNN interviews, Joseph’s emails, business associates, conversations with friends and numerous documents and testimony.

    Now tell me who had motive and who was the good guy here!

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  93. Wow this Dave IJ (a woman by the way) continues to lie and change what people said. Now here is another complete lie. If I recall correctly (and I do) Patrick said Joseph had gotten a check that morning for a fountain. Interesting that that call was before Joseph went to meet CM for lunch. Patrick said Joseph told him he was going to deposit the check ( he didn’t say 15k either) in RC at a branch of his bank when he met with CM for lunch.

    Another interesting point is about the mail that this so called Dave White supposedly said. I ask you, how would this Dave White know what the letters (mail) contained or were about. How would he have any idea unless he opened mail that didn’t belong to him. Is Dave White admitting to federal crime of opening mail that does not belong to or is addressed to him? Would this Dave White really tell or admit to Baker he took someone else’s mail and opened it knowing it was against the law? Who’s lying, Rick, Dave White or Dave IJ? Or all of them lying and embellishing the story? Kind of like the story told to people in a line and how it totally changed from the beginning to the end after being past on and on.

    I beginning to see that maybe this Dave IJ makes up for lies than I think Baker does. She changes whatever she thinks she needs to so people will believe her lies. Now the problem she as here is all people have to do is go watch and listen to the CNN interview and you’ll see what I said is the truth and Patrick never said anything about getting a check from CM at lunch on the 4th.

    I wonder could this “Dave IJ” be Baker in disguise? Interesting!

    Dave IJ
    February 19, 2016
    11:01 am
    Reply
    I don’t know what to think of any of this as far as the phone calls go, only that those two were really strangely bonded. We have all seen the phone log and the number of times they talked to each other everyday all day long is bizarre. Sometimes they would call back and forth 15 times in a couple of hours. The piece above that Rick said he used for his timeline doesn’t fit what Patrick said to CNN, when asked about talking to Joseph that morning he said everything was great and he was going to get a check from Chase for 15k and deposit in the bank near Rancho Cucamonga. Dave white said he was getting the McStay mail because they never had it forwarded ( Which makes for suspicion , why didn’t they ) and he was getting letters from lawyers representing a doctor who sent 15k for a fountain that he never got, The Dan told Rick in the book that Mike took 15k from a client and never sent his goods,
    So now its morphed into Chase giving money back to Joseph for a damaged fountain. That isn’t helping Chase and them going to the shop to talk about drill bits isn’t either, First time we ever heard about them going in separate cars to the shop was from Rick ..

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  94. Bringing this straggler comment over from the “Been There Done That” thread. Oinkers and hags……sounds like Baker to me.

    Tzukeeper
    February 9, 2016 at 11:35 am
    LOL…I see the hags here got a discussion on the “civilized” blog to shut down. You oinkers never quit the hate crusade, do you?

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    • Oinkers? Oh how terribly offensive. Actually I love food as much as the next person. Really, does anyone hate eating? I always find this trash talk/ bullying to be so hypocritical. Can you really guess my weight? Grow up.

      Leave it to a bakerite to come here and launch a childish comment on an obscure thread rather than engage in a “civilized” discussion.

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  95. I just have to admit, that I don’t care what the other blog has to say. It’s clear from reading, that the baker morons all went there because they needed to find someone to take them under their wing. Maeve sounds intelligent, but comes off as a lonely old woman who knows everything and thinks she has a lot of friends, when in reality the friends she has are just people who are drawn to the know it all type and likely can’t stand her attitude. The majority of the commenters are the “chase is innocent, I have poop for brains” crowd. I read a few times over there and all it does is scream Rickbakerblog.wordpress.com2! Rick, too, tried acting like he was neutral, but he clearly had taken sides and Rick also acted like he had inside knowledge and knew so much more than others. The only difference is, Rick sounded like a childish borderline psycho with his tantrums and Maeve sounds like an obese librarian when she throws hers. Other than that, there is no difference in blogs. They both claimed to throw facts out here, sometime baded up with actual facts, but the comments spew “chase is innocent!” Barf. How can people be so ignorant? And honestly who cares what they have to say. Let them stay in their own little world, let them imagine that heresay is fact and that Mike going to Starbucks is the equivalent of Chase calling quick books trying to cancel accounts he stole money from, posing as Joey. Yep, they are both equally suspicious. Idiots. Anyway, i understand that because this case isn’t to trial, we are all dying to know more, wondering about such and such, thinking about things we just don’t know. But, it feels good to let some of this be – and escape these cases and focus more on real life of our own. I’m thankful for the updates pertaining to the case, but any chatter about this other blog is just feeding into what they want – to be relevant. Let these big thinkers be together. On the other blog. And we live happily ever after. 🙂

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  96. This may be of topic but it is another case of LE and bad investigating, although it could be politics. I remember a high ranking government official and his comments in the Travon Williams and the Ferguson, Missouri case (he couldn’t wait to get his two cents in), so where is this person now? A white young man and an African American Woman as the shooter, were is the outrage, why was this case not prosecuted fully?

    I saw this on the Search4McStay fb site and had to ask what is going on here?

    Road Rage or Self-Defense? Questions Hang Over Stand…

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  97. Switching back to the case at hand being the family lost. I can’t help but remark about the low life bottom feeders that seem to have returned to another know blog. They are continuing to spread their vile and putrid accusations knowing they have no proof or facts just there attempts to disrupt make the dead seem guilty of whatever they think they can get people to believe.

    They use a book of lies that the very author of that book has said he lied and used phony and doctored papers as his proof of what he blamed this murdered family of. He has lied so much he can’t remember all of his own lies and gets continually caught in his lies. Then you have this small group of people who follow this idiot blindly still using the lies this man has already admitted to lying about. They use his book as their research and use it as the gospel of facts.

    Some of these very same people are on that blog simply to cause trouble and dissension amongst the members there that really are disguising facts and even pointing out mistakes in all areas of the case. What most of them do not do is to make it their main purpose to denigrate or make disparaging remarks about the surviving and murdered family members. Most are there for honest reasons and not because they find this a game of fun as a few do. There will always be these bottom feeders and lowlifes who have such miserable lives they have to share it with others by hurting and trying destroy others.

    This blog I speak of appeared shortly after the sick blog from the blogger that we all know as the great liar. This new blog has taken the place of that old blog and it seems that the bottom feeders have all got accepted and are trying to take over that blog. It looks like they are getting away with it and the owner is to blind or fails to control or recognize what’s going on there. There is no requirement for the truth, there is no required proof of what they claim or what they write there. Now I must say a few (very few) back up there information with proof and links, however these bottom feeders just say anything and are not called to task but allowed to say anything, lie and accuse the victims and their family of whatever. Even when the investigations of le, people researchers, witnesses and even the accused murder have all stated that there were no such involvements that these people want others to believe.

    I suspect that some of these people causing the trouble are Merritt Family members such as Madison and Rose. Now I can understand them believing in their family member, but what I can’t accept is their lying and attempts to paint the victim and the victims family of what has already been proven false. Why try to claim innocence by falsely damaging and hurting the victims with false information and lies and just making up anything to just cause question when you know they are untrue.

    As I said I believe rb is either one or several of these people, along with his few followers and Merritt Family members trying to causing trouble and take over that blog. They are doing quite well and the blog owner seems to dumb to recognize what is happening.

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  98. I’m done posting on that bs blog. Any opinion that is strongly worded that critizes regular commented is removed. Censored. While comments that throw shade on the family and belittle law enforcement are allowed to stand. Double standards. Bullshit.
    Heres my comment that was deleted. Almost all of it is based on facts we know from the prelim.

    “Here’s what I know about Merritt.
    He’s a carreer criminal with multiple convictions who served two prison terms for burglary and receiving stolen goods. He’s a gambling addict. He’s shafted several business partners out of thousands of dollars. He’s a liar and a thief. A liar and a thief.
    His DNA in minor was found on the steering wheel, gear shift and radio dials of the trooper. Minor quantity as opposed to trace.
    He stole tens of thousands of dollars in checks from Joseph/EIP.
    He impersonated Joseph.
    He was the last person to see Joseph alive the last person to talk to Joseph.
    He murdered those babies and Summer. Then he buried them up in Victorville. He drove the trooper to the border. Then he called Mike and got him to crawl through that open window. The bastard.
    That’s what I know about Merritt.
    You want to defend this POS and hold out hope for a decent character reference, go right ahead. Maybe the defense can call his grandma to the stand and she can tell warm fuzzy stories of a six yr old “Chase”. Spare me!”

    Meanwhile this comment from a regular of Rick Fakers blog gets a pass:

    fpod0711
    February 22, 201612:58 pm Reply
    “redagave,
    because of actions, unanswered questions, lies, slips of the tongues and just because of the delay in reporting the family missing to le i will damn, criticize, fault, ostracize and disparage “Mike, Susan and Dan etc.” however, i will stop if evidence is presented to counter my beliefs(based on transcripts and video)because evidence does matter to me. i agree that some will continue “no matter what evidence is presented at trial.” hard to blame by way of their actions/nonactions. “this subculture” is a byproduct of this tragedy, investigation and trial…….maybe a just and necessary consequence. at what cost would any want rb to be right? just to/for spite? bragging rights? that’s not why, or what we are here for. most want justice. some want answers. others are just observers. if it turns out rb is right, so be it. i don’t think this subculture will be thinking about whether his theory is/was correct or not when the verdicts are ”

    Signed totally fucking pissed off with the bullshit!!!!!

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    • It’s amazing, the truth cuts like a knife. That blog should be changed to “The Merrit File”. There is nothing there to promote justice for the family but for Merritt’s rights and to discuss about him getting a fair trial.

      Merritt is not Steve Avery, get over it. And Ramos certainly did not poison the jury pool. He stated that they were confidant they had the right guy. To say the jury is poisoned is like saying “Well, you’ve arrested him, so the jury is going to think he’s guilty because you did that”.

      Also, nothing needs to be presented at trial to exonerate Mike, Susan or Dan, they are not on trial, nor have they been charged with anything.

      Soon we’ll discuss they very things they choose to ignore, things that squarely point back to Chase Merrit.

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  99. Could it be the blog owner Jennifer H Daniel that may have a love interest in Baker? It’s her blog and you would think it was Bakers blog. He is certainly on that blog disguised as at least one person, but I believe he is using more than one disguise.

    Remember he said recently he was returning and it would surprise people in what capacity he was retuning. We know he always glorifies or exaggerates, so it wouldn’t surprise me that he is trying to mislead people again as he has continually done.

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  100. ANSWER THIS PLEASE!

    I see there is so much talk about CM and the evidence on the other blog. They want to spin all the information and evidence trying to misrepresent or just plain spin the facts and evidence. You hear all this talk about blood, QB, DNA, checks and phone pings.

    Those people try to spin all they can to try to prove CM to be innocent. So I ask this one simple question: If CM is so innocent then why did his phone ping on February 6th in the desert in Victorville at the sight of the graves if he didn’t murder them? Why on earth would he be at the exact place of the graves just two days after the murders when no one knew they were dead? Remember at that time CM was even claiming he didn’t know where they were. So how is it he ends up right at the very gravesite and claims he didn’t know where they were? He doesn’t live anywhere near the gravesites, so why would he be there at that very location on that very day, just two days after the family was murdered? Coincidence? Highly unlikely? What are the odds of that? Oh why not ask CM he should know he’s a heavy gambler.

    With all the other evidence checks, QB, phone pings, DNA, lies and no alibi, along with much more we probably don’t even know yet until the trial. How on earth (or should I say) what excuse and false spin are they all going to say now about CM’s cell phone pinging right at the gravesite on February 6, 2010? Heck even in the area would be bad enough, but the tower pings put him right at the gravesite! Remember his own testimony says he wasn’t in that area for as much as 6 months or more and that was verified by another person.

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    • For the sake of the argument, calls can jump cell towers if others have too much traffic. Also if a persons phone is off, the person calling will ping a tower nearest to the caller, registering to the receiver, if that makes sense. HOWEVER, per the testimony at the prelim, Merritt’s phone was ON when it pinged (several times) the Victorville tower just a short distance away from the graves. Either Chase is the most unlucky man on the planet, or someone stole his phone without him knowing it and used it to frame him, ooooor…..CHASE MERRITT IS GUILTY OF QUADRUPLE MURDER. (<- Caps for Dave).

      Bottom line, facts are facts. Chase can't escape the ping evidence. I think both Ponce and Mettias knew this. There is way too much, while circumstantial, overwhelmingly damning evidence. Eventually people are going to have to come to face the reality of his guilt. While he is still technically "innocent" until proven guilty, his conviction is only formality at this point. Due process can not be heeded enough.

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      • True, but how much traffic could that cell tower north of Victorville even get to begin with? If you look at how many people could be within those specific geographic coordinates at any given time, the number is very low. Just a quick count: a few dozen Walmart employees, a few dozen motorists passing by on the freeway, maybe a couple hundred people between the motel, the bar, and any other scattered mom-n-pop businesses and residences in that mostly undeveloped area.

        Compare that to the number of cell users served by a tower in a typical developed neighborhood, and it would be just a small fraction.

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        • And Merritt also claims he visited his sister that weekend, but his sister would not corroborate his story. So if he wasn’t in the high desert, how could his calls be re-routed through the Cajon Pass, looping through several towers on the way for 30, 40, 50 or more miles, and then back to wherever Merritt was receiving the calls? Seems very unlikely to me.

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            • He didn’t say he was visiting his sister but I think his other sister was suggesting he visited her when she was in the hospital, without knowing Chase had already told detectives he was not out there for at least a year. Such awesome people, trying to create an alibi for your bro facing murder charges.

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            • Jay, I think that is what LE said. Didn’t Meritt initially say he went to visit his sister because she had been in the hospital? Then, didn’t he later tell LE he wasn’t in the area? I thought these answers were part of his changing stories.

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        • Right that was the point I was trying to make. It could be argued that his phone pinged the tower while he was in RC and the towers there were overloaded. But it’s not a likely scenario. One ping, maybe. But not 4 or 5.

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  101. The simple fact is that CM stated he hadn’t been anywhere near that area when asked by the SDSD in 2010. He was asked, and being that he lives over maybe 20 to 30 miles south of Victorville, why was he anywhere near that tower in the first place at that time. Remember he said he wasn’t and hadn’t been in that area since the prior summer. So it is highly doubtful that his phone would ping on a tower 30 miles from his RC unless he was somewhere in that vicinity the tower in what 2 or 3 miles. He can’t get out if that and he knows it and maybe that’s what Mettais and Ponce also saw along with a mountain of other evidence be it physical or circumstantial. Add it all up and there is only one logical conclusion.

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  102. I just found this and it is very interesting as to what CM told the SDSD.

    Unsealed warrants: Chase Merritt owed Joseph McStay $30k
    Posted: Jul 01, 2015 12:39 PM CDTUpdated: Jul 02, 2015 6:17 PM CDT
    By David Gotfredson, Investigative Producer

    When confronted by investigators about cashing checks from Joseph McStay’s business account and making changes to the account using the online software QuickBooks, Merritt “admitted he tried to change the QuickBooks account and stated Joseph McStay instructed him to make the changes, though Merritt did not attempt to conduct the changes until days after their meeting and Merritt claimed he had already lost contact with Joseph McStay.”

    This guy claims to know CM personally. CM seems a lot different then he and his family have described him. I also was told that CM like to fight and got into fights in bars in the VV area.

    Robert Allison •
    Bismarck, North Dakota
    How many of you judging Chase actually know him as a person? I ask this because, how do you know what he is capable of not knowing what his situation in life is. I also ask because who is anyone to judge a guy who doesn’t know him on a personal level. I know that Chase Merritt is guilty. I know him personally and professionally. I was the foreman of an indoor waterfall business that he owned in San Dimas, Ca. He has a bad temper, he owed quite a few customers, former employees, and countless others tons of money. I know first hand his stories of his incarcerated life as he was open about his life. He does have a short fuse and would often get angry and lose his cool over the simplest of issues. I hope he gets everything he deserves for killing the McStays.
    Like • Reply • Oct 9, 2015 6:17pm

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  103. If I’m not correct CM also owed in excess of $50,000.00 to the IRS for FICA taxes he deducted from his employees and never paid the IRS. That was in some of the testimony in the prelim. This guy was deep in debt to many and it was all catching up to him so he stole from Joseph. Then when caught by Joseph on the 4th for the check he wrote on the Feb 1st from Joseph’s qb account, CM killed them.

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    • Jay: I think this murder case boils down to exactly what you’ve said here and I think the jury will see it too.

      So what happens tomorrow if Merritt still has not obtained legal counsel beyond himself as pro per? How long will Judge Michael A. Smith let this go on?

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  104. From the comprehensive time line at ws:

    “Saturday, Feb. 6, 10:46am to 1:30pm – CM cell phone pings in Victorville & Oro Grande. On February 6, 2010, Merritt’s mobile phone made ten cell phone calls from the Victorville area. Six of the ten calls pinged on an AT&T cell phone tower closest to the location of the McStay graves near Victorville. A forensic review of the data showed Merritt’s phone was located to the east of the cell tower in the same area where the bodies were buried. Merritt has a sister who lives to the west of the cell tower. She told investigators that Merritt had not been to her house since 2009. From Preliminary hearing (page 85-86) – first phone activity is at:
    10:46am – contact tower in Victorville area near Interstate I5. Next activity at
    11:30am thru 11:52am contacts cell tower in Oro Grande, north of Victorville in the High Desert, near Interstate I5.
    11:53am – cell tower a bit south, back near Victorville.
    12:49pm – contacts a cell tower in Victorville area.
    1:30pm – contacts with cell tower in the Oro Grande area.

    Feb. 6, 3:14pm to Feb 7, 10:35am – CM cell phone disabled.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    So for 2hrs45minutes his phone is pinging in the Victorville Oro Grand area. Then 2 hours later goes dark till mid morning the next day.
    Looks damning to me, especially as Cm says he was no where near that area on that weekend.

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        • Yes there is. If driving that road it would take 10 minutes longer than taking the highway. It would actually be riskier as well, being probably the only vehicle on the road verses among hundreds on a highway. I’m not even sure it would be navigable in the truck Chase owned.

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          • That also makes sense! I tend to over think things. Lol
            Somewhere I had read that the neighbours video surveillance camera had malfunctioned after midnight……i came up with a complicated theory of using a printable gun that had been altered with a homemade silencer and loaded with grease to remotely the obscure the camera lens. I found all the instructions online!
            LMAO

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  105. I bet SBSD, once they realized it wasn’t the trooper leaving the McStay’s driveway, analyzed the neighbours surveillance tape for any vehicle movement on the street from the 4th onward till the search warrant was served.
    Maybe they have Merritts truck there on the evening of the 6th.
    What about satellite imagery for the house and surrounding neighbourhood? If it worked for the grave site why not the house and street?

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  106. Fran

    My bet is you are correct! I’ve heard that the satellite imagine is available for years and they can definitely see a vehicle on the ground. So your question is very valid as I see it and I would bet they have pictures of his truck just as you have pointed out being possible.

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    • It would be an extremely lucky break if the satellite orbit aligned with a specific day that Merritt was at the house.
      Jay, Merritt owed just over 20k in taxes and 30k to JM.
      I agree financial pressure coupled with a job loss and possible charge of embezzlement while on probation is a powerful motive.
      People have murdered for far less.

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  107. Gail’s article –

    With patience running short, a San Bernardino County Superior Court judge is giving the defendant in the McStay family quadruple murder case until March 4 to decide whether to represent himself in the potential death penalty case or go with a new defense team.

    “Here is my concern. From day one, you were the one who said you didn’t want to waste time. You wanted to go to trial quickly,” Judge Michael Smith said Thursday, Feb. 25, during a hearing for defendant Charles “Chase” Merritt. “We’re here 13 months later and we’re exactly where we were.”

    Noting Merritt is representing himself, his status back in January 2015, the judge recounted a chronology of Merritt switching from private counsel, to representing himself, then agreeing to a court-appointed defense team then terminating them about five weeks ago and talking about hiring a new team but not having that settled.

    Merritt insisted he is preparing “very quickly and fairly efficiently” for trial and that financially he is trying to retain new lawyers. Riverside attorneys Rajan Maline and James E. McGee II sat behind Merritt and spoke to him before and after the hearing.

    Maline said outside court that a retention agreement is complex but he anticipates working out details before the next hearing. Trial dates are expected to be set then.

    http://www.pe.com/articles/defense-795385-gives-judge.html

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    • I used to have a tremendous amount of respect for Smith and the judicial system, however, my respect for both are waining at increasing speeds. I can’t help but wonder who’s sleeping with who.

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      • I am thinking maybe he doesn’t want any windows to be left open in case of appeals years later about Merritt getting a fair judicial process on the DP case? It sucks cause it’s a system open for abuse by the accused and they do it time after time with these BS delays. Look at Arias and how long that took, crazy.

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        • Murphy,
          For the longest time I felt like Judge Smith was catering to both sides in an effort to forge an impartial system. Now it’s beginning to feel like Smith is catering more towards Merritt, regardless of the cost. I could very well be wrong (and probably am) but my gut is telling me there’s something big coming down the pike. This damn trial needs to start already so we can determine for ourselves what’s true and accurate and not just a bunch of my secret’s better than your secret. Just feels like some games being played.

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  108. This is part of a rather long article written about the Mojave Desert. The McStay family and Merritt are mentioned in it and includes pics of the family, grave sites and Chase standing in a freshly dug hole.

    During a phone conversation, I asked Lupear how many homicide victims are actually found in the Mojave. Somewhat surprisingly, he replied, “On average we only find one or two per year,” commenting further that recreationists are most likely to find a murder victim in the open desert. He additionally mentioned that victims and their perpetrators are, in most cases, tied somehow to the location were the body is found. Hikers stumble upon the deceased occasionally, but more often than not bodies are discovered by off-highway vehicle (OHV) enthusiasts near a road of some kind. Consider that much of the Mojave Desert is within three miles of some type of thoroughfare, it is easy to imagine how one could go about such a repugnant task if deemed necessary.11 The reason is obvious — the deceased are dead weight so the quickest to dispose of a “package” is to transport the body to a somewhat secluded spot via a vehicle. On occasion, evidence suggests that the deceased are “dispatched” where originally found. In most cases, however, investigators determine that the unfortunate victim was slain elsewhere and transported to the spot with the body dumped, bagged, buried, burned or disposed of in some combination thereof.

    http://www.kcet.org/shows/artbound/holes-in-the-desert-a-mojave-crime-compendium

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    • ABC, Thank you, I think? Very, very interesting reading that’s for sure and some in my own backyard. Kind of spooky and creepy.

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    • What I meant to say is, I want the con man to see he cannot fool a jury of peers.

      I already know the CHF spiff was cock and bull story. He was healthy enough to murder 4 innocents and bury them in the desert.

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  109. I have been watching all the what I call huey on this other blog. I see several people one in perticular that continues to claim they have “sources”, inside information, their research and their own deductions. All I can say to all that is, “sound familiar”?

    So this so called “Fleurances” has all this research and deductions but never gives any proof of the research or the reasoning behind the deductions. But everyone is to blindly follow and believe whatever this “Fleurance” says.

    We have heard and seen all this time and time again! We had has someone claim to have inside information and sources here or there and we have seen all that crap used for a book, website, fb and blogs. We have seen and heard more bs in this case than in most case ever.

    We have had the “KING” of all liars and despicable people attacking good people and the innocent. I don’t know about you but I thought we had gotten rid of the most vicious and disgusting person was proven by his own words to be the last person on earth that should be believed or his words given any consideration.

    Now if you compare this “Fleurance’s” words, I believe you will will see the use of words and the overall tenner and concept along with the attitude follows the same patterns as the “Great Liar”. Now because of all this I tend to believe we have the reappearance of the “Great Liar” in disguise!

    Please give me your opinions and conclusions as I could be wrong. One thing to remember is the the incorrectness and outright wrong information that has come from both of these so called experts. To parallel for me!

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  110. Speaking of imbibing, I wonder how much Merritt has raised with his little lemaid stand behind bars? Word to the wise,,, if it’s yellow – stay far, far away from it. Ewww!

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    • I don’t get it. Why did Merritt really ditch court appointed Mettias? Mettias seemed to take the job very seriously and assembled the best team possible.
      My worry is that if he can’t raise the funds for the lawyers he wants and is appointed a public defender, he will fire them at the last moment. Or if he chooses to go pro per then changes his mind just as the trial is about to start.
      This go on for quite a while. How nerve wracking for witnesses and others waiting for trial.

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  111. So here’s a question. What is a realistic date for the start of the trial?
    Mettias had said he would be ready by Aug or September and I’m assuming that’s with trial preparation grinding away at steady pace each week. The case prep has been at a standstill now for five weeks, six weeks next week.
    If Maline and McGee are hired next week how long will it take them to be trial ready? Maline was one of four lawyers and with just him and McGee who is brand new to the case, the work force is effectively cut in half.
    IDK. It seems it could be November before the trial starts…..that is if Merritt doesn’t pull more tricks.
    And if it’s a new court appointed attorney repping Merritt? Trial may not start until much later, maybe next year? Ugh, I’m not very optimistic about a summer trial or that an earlier trial date was Merritt’s true intention.

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  112. To the presumption about Fleurance being Baker, I think it’s highly unlikely. This person seems much more knowledgeable and less arrogant. It seems to me that they also may live in the SoCal area based on some of the things they said.

    Baker’s father just passed away. So with the timing, I do wonder if Merritt’s stalling has anything to do with waiting for Baker to take care of some things. Assuming Baker is involved “in ways he never imagined”. I would Like to know if he’s going to be a consultant. I really hope he is. I know that sounds crazy. But if he is, it will be over the top once prosecution had a wack at the “theories”.

    I picture a coffin with Rick in it and a whole cut in the side for him to hammer the nails for lid.

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    • Thanks for replying, Just Me. You certainly could be right. I’m thinking the judge is being extra careful and accommodating (in this death penalty case) so Merritt can’t later claim he was forced to take an attorney he could not get along with. I think whatever Merritt decides next week will stand.

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  113. Answer this for me please. What is so complex in an agreement between a defendant and his lawyer? What does CM have that he can pay the lawyers with? What assets does he have that are of any value? Maybe tools, machines and equipment? So just sign them over to the attorney!

    What else, property? Sign a Quit Claim Deed to the attorney! Royalties on his work with Keene on the gold mining machines patens? Sign them over!

    To me this is the most ridiculous reason they could come up with. What about all the people he owed money to and any judgements against him. If he had anything they would have already gotten anything of value with legal action. Remember most everything was not in his name because of his past business practices and legal actions against him , not to mention his criminal cases. So is everything in CJ’s name, and maybe she won’t sign anything over to the attorney’s? It seems CM left her nothing but debt, so maybe she is going to sell everything to support her children and herself. Maybe CJ has had enough of CM and won’t work with the attorney’s. We already know she changed her testimony as to his alibi.

    So what could CM have that would be defined as holding up a lawyer, client financial agreement. Maybe the lawyers are trying to get CM to agree to a possible deal or allow the attorney’s to discuss one before they will take his case and CM won’t go along with that?

    Here is the statement from this article: http://www.pe.com/articles/defense-795385-gives-judge.html

    Merritt insisted he is preparing “very quickly and fairly efficiently” for trial and that financially he is trying to retain new attorneys. Riverside lawyers Rajan Maline and James E. McGee II sat behind Merritt and spoke to him before and after the hearing.

    Maline said outside court that a retention agreement is complex but he anticipates working out details before the next hearing. Trial dates are expected to be set then.

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  114. Jay, so far Merritt has had court appointed attornies. So it must be either a relative or friend who is footing the bill.
    I found an article in PDF form and gave no idea how to link to it. But searching for “when a friend or relative pays for a lawyer” should bring it up on Google.

    “When a lawyer’s fee is paid by someone other than the client, ethical issues abound. Conflict of
    interest, confidentiality, and the scope of the lawyer’s employment are almost always implicated. “

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  115. “The payor’s desire or demand to learn about the progress of the representation will have its largest impact on confidentiality. If a friend or relative conditions payment upon being able to monitor the representation, the effect of such a demand on confidentiality, and more importantly attorney-client privilege, should be made clear to the client. Where necessary the appropriate waivers should be obtained. If the consequences of jeopardizing the attorney-client privilege could result in client prejudice (e.g., criminal defense cases), the lawyer should make it clear to both parties, at the outset of representation, that disclosures will be tailored to accommodate the payor’s desire for accountability without risking waiver of the attorney-client privilege. In some representations, this may require the lawyer to generate two sets of billing statements; a detailed invoice for the client, and a more general progress-oriented statement for the payor”

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  116. Someone, not saying it’s Faker because I can’t see him shelling out that kind of investment, not for his own writing anyway, may have a book deal on the table.
    Not even sure how that would work.

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  117. A criminal can not profit from a crime. The laws prohibit such things as book deals, personal items being sold also signed or autographed items just to name a few what the laws prohibit. So I don’t think it involves any things such as that, but I do see the possibility of some property that family members may own being appraised for sale in order to pay legal fees or put a retainer in place. Now that could be a possibility that would require an appraiser and quit claim deeds and could delay an agreement because of schedules and paperwork. A book deal would be out by law as I understand it.

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    • Thank goodness Merritt will never make a dime while in prison. Up here in Canada Pickton, the monster who was convicted of murdering six women and charged with the murder of twenty women, recently smuggled a manuscript out of prison and it’s now selling on Amazon.

      http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/robert-pickton-book-deeply-disturbing-b-c-solicitor-general-1.2787548

      I wasn’t thinking that Merritt would make money from a book deal. I was thinking that a publisher or author might be working with one of Merritt’s relatives to pay for Merritt’s defense (IDK how much $ that might be, a million and a half plus?) in exchange for exclusive rights to the story.
      Maybe I’m over thinking things.

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      • Fran,

        No what you said is still very possible. People will do anything and I sure some people will do anything to make money. I’m sure some people in families will do these things for their own gain as well.

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      • The thought of anyone, much less Merritt or ass-hat making a dime on this tragedy makes me ill. I’d like to think that even the good Mrs. Baker has more values than to dish out her dead man’s money on a POS book for Baker. There are many people who will do many things in life in order to have a man and Becky Baker has SUCKER written across her forehead. I shutter at the thought.

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  118. Well then I guess this article from Gail Wesson is wrong?

    Noting Merritt is representing himself, his status back in January 2015, the judge recounted a chronology of Merritt switching from private counsel, to representing himself, then agreeing to a court-appointed defense team, then terminating them about five weeks ago and talking about hiring a new team but not having that settled.

    http://m.pe.com/articles/defense-795385-gives-judge.html

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  119. Fran & Cornelius,

    I think you are both right to a degree. If I remember correctly, Mettias was paid under the “indigent status” granted by the judge. Remember the Judge also appoint a three panel judges court to monitor payments for the legal fees presented. The court didn’t appoint Mettias, but they authorized the indegent status so CM was able to hire Mattias.

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  120. I just spent 3 minutes on the other blog. Three minutes of my life that I’ll never get back.
    I am happy that this blog is here. I may be quiet these days but I do read everyone’s comments here and never feel that I’ve wasted my time.

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    • Sorry, Sylvia but I got you beat. I just spent 13.2 minutes of my life that I’ll never get back in FINALLY figuring out how to set up and use the new San Bernardino County open access system. Getting my teeth pulled would’ve been much more enjoyable. 🙂

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  121. What everyone has to keep in mind when reading on that blog is that it has become a Merritt is innocent blog. The Merritt family is on that blog and doing everything they can to control and taint the facts and evidence to make people believe CM is innocent.

    They keep attacking the McStay Family (like Mike, even Joseph) members putting up partial comments they made and doing everything they can to change the meaning of what was said by family, le, friends and expert witnesses in the prelim. They have spun so much it shows they don’t want the truth the just want to do whatever they can to make CM look innocent. They don’t want to see or believe the truth, no they are blinded by CM lies.

    What I just read is a perfect example of the spin of the Merritt’s. They use a comment by the SDSD Sheriff Gore and made it sound like he had the entire McStay Family support throughout there so called investigation. But if they really told the truth, the McStay’s at first believed the SDSD, but within weeks they were telling everyone they never believed that Joseph and his family went to Mexico. But you don’t here the Merritt’s telling the truth or showing all of the complete articles that clearly disagree with the Merritt’s spin. Another example is Joseph’s father Patrick, who from day one said they never went to Mexico. Patrick also scorned the SDSD from the very beginning and never gave the Sheriff one bit of support as is claimed. He uses words like the “family” not saying the entire family did not agree with him or support the investigation.

    So as you see the Merritt Family and friends like Rose and Madison are hard at work on that blog talking over everyone and making as many comments as they can to control that blog. To bad the blog owner is either blind or stupid and never asks for proof, links or facts of what they claim on that blog. Sounds like JH is a Merritt fan. Yes and don’t dare stand up for the victims or the blog owner will strike your comments! She then claims she doesn’t allow personal attacks but she allows the dead to be lied about with nothing done! Just as we hear again and again people claiming drugs were involved. Nothin, not one word is said that even CM himself said that Joseph was not involved with drugs and wouldn’t be in any way involved with drugs. So you see the Merritt family says CM is innocent and that he and Joseph were best friends. But when it come to denigrating Joseph and claiming the involvement of drugs they won’t tell you that CN has denounced all of that just as law enforcement including the SDSD, SBCSD, FBI, friends and family. But all you here from the Merritt’s is more lies about drugs being what got Joseph and his family killed.

    I wouldn’t believe a word on that blog and especially if it came from DaveIJ, Rose, Madison and a select few.

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    • I agree with all you said. And I agree that it is very necessary for this blog to exist to keep the facts out there and to refute the lies. But, I do feel like there are only about 5 to 10 people, at most, on that blog.
      I wonder how many just read and never comment?

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      • Or read and can’t comment. It seems it wants to remain one-sided without much of a debate. How do you sort through the evidence without looking at both sides of the coin? I have tried to do that here for a healthy debate, test all the evidence, not just what makes Merritt look guilty.

        But I think we look a bit more sexy over here, without bickering endlessly about who was at a hearing or who said what, when and where.

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        • You have to admit the ones who speak incessantly to themselves are rather amusing.

          And speaking of amusing, what exactly is DNM’s role in this? Other than the occasional 3rd grade time out and the copy and pasting of the docket, I’m a tad bit confused regarding his/her role. Any thoughts or ideas would be very appreciated.

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  122. It appears DNM rarely participates in the “discussion” but she recently played referee after two posters got their panties in a wad. There really are only two who are hard core Merritt supporters. Jennifer, whom all of us know well, seems to be coming down hard lately on the side of actually facts.

    I hope we know soon whether there will be retained or court appointed attorneys or if CM will be pro per. I can’t wait to hear all the evidence the State has against him. It will be a humdinger, all right. The kind of humdinger that clearly points to one person orchestrating, perpetrating and staging this horrible crime.

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    • I sure would like to. I live in Pa. 3000 miles away. Will probably be old and broken by the time the trial gets underway.

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  123. If my prior commitments don’t prevent me from being at the trial I am one who will be attending. Let me also say that with the nut-case loonies who’ve attached themselves to this case I will be extreme selective with who I share my company. As the trial draws near there will be certain things put in to oplace to ensure that the safety #

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    • I hear you about the loonies. But I would be interested in meeting folks from here. I would have to get a room as I’m a couple hours away. Not sure how long I can stay and I need to figure out what days would be best to attend. Like would the prosecution go over evidence directly after opening statements?

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      • Sylvia
        It’s going to be really difficult for anyone to give anyone any last minute anything. If I were in your shoes ID try to get as chummy as you can with one of the MSM reporters who seem to be one step ahead of the game. If all else fails contract Patrick and let him know you’ll be traveling so any heads up he can offer will be appreciated.

        Unfortunately the ball is in Merritt’s court, so to speak. I have a few other tricks up my sleeve but I’ll save those for a rainy day. 😉

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  124. Just Me I saw your comment on the other blog today. I like you find it ridiculous how Madison and Rose continually try to throw out anything they can think of to accuse McStay Family members of being involved in the murder of their own family. They continue, especially Madison to come up with the most stupid accusations and make things seem as if Michael is guilty or involved.

    Just plain stupid! They can’t admit that CM is GUILTY as HELL and that is what the evidence and facts clearly define. You can put all the lipstick you want on a pig, but it’s still a pig! If they had half a brain they would seriously research the evidence and facts and analysis it as the science explains. They need quit trying to make it seem as what they want it to say and stop the lies and accusations trying to implicate others in a murder that was committed by CM and only CM! His greed and criminal ways are what caused the loss of these people, not there family or themselves as Rose and Madison repeatedly try to get others to believe.

    So sad that these people have to lie and lie and lie and accuse everyone including the FBI, SDSD, SBCSD, Family Members and anyone else they can of being involved in a conspiracy and framing CM. How dumb are these people?.

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    • Then we have dumb as fuck questioning the little boys crosses. Yes, I’m quite sure MM went out and planted the crosses long before anyone knew the family was deceased. Honestly, I’d rather hang with a bunch of homeless people or bikers because at least with them you know what you’re getting. These other goons, not so much.

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    • I think that all of that doesn’t matter. The evidence against Merritt is very strong. The trial, if it ever happens and if Merritt doesn’t plead out…will convict him. He should plead out to get life and tell the family what he did.

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  125. I may have missed it here, but I just realized he is still selling that p.o.s. book. There’s a link to it on his blog.

    http://rickbakerblog.com/no-goodbyes/

    I could have sworn he said he took it off the market. And he recently tweeted that it was full of wrong predictions. (At least by using the word ‘prediction’ he alludes to the fact that his ‘facts’ aren’t facts)

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  126. I’ve been following the Tim Bosma trial.

    “The Crown alleges that on May 6, 2013, Tim Bosma, 32, took Smich and Millard for a test drive of the truck he was selling. The Crown intends to prove Tim was fatally shot in his truck, his body incinerated in an animal cremator.”
    http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6370909-bosma-trial-a-different-mark-smich-presented-in-court/

    The Crown has such an overwhelming amount of evidence. It was a very disorganized and messy murder. Photos of the truck sitting on a bloody in Millard airplane hanger. They found the truck and tarp in a large trailer parked in the driveway of Millard mom’s home. Bosmas’ blood was all over the inside and outside of the truck. Blood was found on the incinerator, bones fragments inside. The incinerator was parked in a field owned by Millard. Eye witnesses who saw the two men leave with Bosma for a test drive, cell phone pings, text messages, photos, sales receipts for the incinerator. Everything except a confession.

    I’m starting to think this crime was not about stealing a truck. There would have been so many ways to steal that truck or another one without murdering anyone, and they would have had a better chance of never being caught.
    It was about committing murder.
    Millard and Smich are also charged with the murder of a former girlfriend who went missing several years ago. Millard was the last person to have contact with her. The cops did a lousy job of investigating her disappearance, and it wasn’t until Bosma went missing and his bones were found in the “Eiminator” that they put two and two together and now believe thats how Millard disposed of her body. Millard is slated to represent himself in that trial. Millard is also accused and will stand trial for the murder of his father. His death was at first ruled a suicide…..

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/bosma-trial-investigators-searched-for-gun-at-smich-house-seize-ipad-1.3471003

    Thinking about the McStay’s. I starting to believe Merritt’s primary motivation was the fulfilment of a sick obsessive fantasy born of rage and hatred. I think he had been meditating on and thinking about murder and the cover up for a few weeks prior to the 4th. On the 2nd, when he starts creating fraudulent checks he had already made up his mind. The money was in addition to, an extra, but not the prime motivation. I think he would have killed “Jerry” too if Jerry hadn’t have been so spooked and the opportunity had presented itself.
    IDK. What happened to the children and parents is so horrific and brutal. My mind tries to make sense of it. There was that moment during the preliminary when Merritt’s face turned beet red and he covered his face in his hands. He could have stopped the proceedings then and told the court what he did. As it is I don’t think he will ever confess. I do think the evidence presented at the prelim was just the tip of the iceberg.

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  127. I agree Fran, I think the evidence is overwhelming and there will be so much more presented at trial that Merritt will be without a doubt found guilty.

    I hear what your saying and I too believe the murders were born out of the overwhelming hatred Merritt had for Summer along with his need for money to gamble. There was also the fact that I think Joseph caught on to Merritt’s stealing money and he was going to report him. I also believe that people seem to have overlooked information that has been told of Merritt and his prior violent tendencies in his life that his family have dismissed and tried to keep hidden. I remember that there were reports of his frequenting biker bars and cowboy bars in the desert area and that he liked to get into fights.

    Then adding the suspicions and comments of people who have had direct contact with Merritt that they spoke of having earie feelings and a fear of him because of his comments and actions he exhibited with them. I think these things tell more than has been disclosed about Merritt so far. I think there will be a lot more at trial that will show a completely different Merritt than what has been shown so far. I think Merritt learned a long time ago to hide his true character from others, but had deep seated thoughts and hatred that exploded and he had to act out what he felt.

    It astounds me how people on that other blog continue to bring up petty little things that have no real significates to the case and are only used to throw the subject off of the real facts and evidence against Merritt. It is all just a smoke screen to keep the discussion off of Merritt and try to accuse anyone and everyone else they can. As one person said, throw as much as possible against the wall to see what sticks!

    They present no proof, no comments backed up with facts, no just inuendos, misdirection, accusing family members of nothing to do with the case and pure outright lies on that blog.

    I believe the blog owner is completely irresponsible and has no respect for the truth or the victims families. and she allows people to run wild with anything that will get her followers. Hum that sounds familiar!

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    • After about 10 minutes on that blog I’m ready to tear my hair out!!! Rose and Madison are like broken records with the same lame comments.

      http://rs208.pbsrc.com/albums/bb102/avl1/head_banging.gif~c200

      I don’t know what purpose Duly Noted Media has with that blot. DNM states they created the  blog because of her fascination with the mystery and a place to discuss the case. But I have yet to see her gravatar attached to any meaningful comments.

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    • Maybe we will hear at the trial from people who experienced first hand Merritt’s violent outbursts.
      There was one of the search warrants probable cause section that was heavily censored. It referenced an interview with a neighbour of Merritt and CJ. Perhaps she will be called as a witness. There’s also whatever was found in their computers….

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      • Fran, I think that section in the search warrant was the one defense attorneys fought so hard to get redacted because they felt if the public saw it Merritt would not be able to get a fair trial. I have always felt he called Summer a horrible name when he was talking to those neighbors.

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  128. This is an actual statement made by Patrick from CM’s comments that were in the Dailymail article or the CNN report I don’t remember exactly which but it was from one of them.

    This is possibly one of Chase’s lies about when he went to the house. He’s trying to cover his tracks for why he was in Fallbrook on the 8th and at Joey’s house.

    CM

    ‘On the fourth day I drove out to his house, stopping at his mother’s on the way. I asked if she’d heard from him and she said she hadn’t. She called Mikey (Joseph’s brother) and I suggested he meet me out there. I drove out, but Mikey didn’t call me.

    Patrick

    Now if this is accurate (as I believe it is) then someone is lying! Because Michael wasn’t aware of Joey’s missing until I called him on the 9th after Kavanaugh had emailed and called me.

    Now what makes this an important statement is it proves CM is lying. Remember Patrick had already said years ago and it has been established as the truth by Michael and DK. Patrick called Michael on February 4, 2010 because DK had emailed and called him but Patrick didn’t recognize the name Dan Kavanaugh. He said he only knew him as “Dan the hacker” and he asked Michael to call DK when Michael told Patrick he knew who DK was. That was when DK told Michael Joseph wasn’t answering his emails and his voicemail was full. Michael and Patrick started searching at that point.

    These are facts not gossip or rhetoric as on the other blog with all the twisting, half truths and outright lying.

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  129. Here is the article the quote from my above comments came from. This is the article Chase Merritt’s statement:

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510247/Prime-suspect-McStay-murder-mystery-breaks-silence.html#ixzz37kPoGUvr
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
    ‘I wish I’d acted earlier’: The seven day delay in telling police they were missing
    Mr Merritt said: ‘Three or four days went by and I called Joseph several times a day, but couldn’t get hold of him. That was unheard of because we talked six or eight times a day.
    ‘On the fourth day I drove out to his house, stopping at his mother’s on the way. I asked if she’d heard from him and she said she hadn’t. She called Mikey (Joseph’s brother) and I suggested he meet me out there. I drove out, but Mikey didn’t call me.

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    • It’s very possible LE has the computer from whicht Merritt wrote those comments.
      If they have DKs email they can verify that message string. Mike’s phone records etc.
      Your comment made me go back to the preliminary transcript. They made a mistake and said it was business associate CM who called Patrick to alert him that Joseph was missing. I’m sure he meant to say DK.

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  130. I just realized that someone on here or the other blog said that there was no proof that CM was at the McStay House on February 8, 2010. But this article proves exactly that in Merritt’s own words. This proves he was at the Mcstay’s house on the 8th and that would put him closer to the border and the parking lot in the mall in San Ysidro. That was the day the Trooper was said to have been parked at the border. So now it seems there are pieces that are forming a timeline and proof of Merritt’s whereabouts are becoming even clearer. It also proves Merritt was at the house on the eight and isn’t that one of the days it is said checks were written on Joseph’s computer?

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    • Yes. If I recall correctly there is also the McStay home Internet that was accessed on the 8th. They will tie that to CM. There is Susan saying Merritt stopped by her place and that he told her he had just been at the Fallbrook house. And the phone pings travelling north.

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  131. Yes Fran again Merritt has in his own way admitted his guilt. He says in his words he’s at Joseph’s house on the 8th. Then Joseph’s computer records show it was accessed on the 8th. Then we have the Trooper parked at the border on the 8th. Going on we have Merritt stopping at Susan’s (Joseph’s Mother) house saying he was at or going to Joseph’s house on again the 8th. On top of all that the le has pings that are confirming the travel on I 15 in those areas. I’d say that in itself is pretty damning and proves Merritt is involved and knew or committed the murders.

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  132. This is very telling, in his own words Merritt says he stops at Joseph’s Mothers house on his way south to Joseph’s house in Fallbrook. But what was testified to in the prelim by LE is the opposite.

    The evidence shows that Merritt stopped at Joseph’s Mothers house on his way northbound which would be on his return going north from Fallbrook to Ranch Cucamonga because Corona where Susan lives is in between Fallbrook and RC.

    So again we have more proof that Merritt was at Joseph’s house on the 8th and that is proven by his words and the cell tower pings tracing his movements. So we also know he lied to Susan saying he was going to Joseph’s when in fact it shows he was returning from Joseph’s house.

    This is shown on his cell records with pings of Merritt’s cell phone at 1:31pm on the 8th on Corona. So again we know that Merritt is proven to be heading north from Fallbrook. We also know form the testimony that Merritt’s cell phone was turned off from 5:17pm on the 7th until 7:36am of the 8th. We know that there is only one call between 7:36am and 1:31pm on the 8th and it goes to voicemail and therefore there is no cell tower ping for that call.

    Now were was Merritt from 5:17pm on the 7th until 1:31pm on the 8th? I believe he was cleaning Joseph’s house and he took the Trooper to San Ysidro earlier than reported by the mall guards. He then stopped at Susan’s house to tell her he was heading to Joseph house so he could alibi himself for the eight and show concern. I think he knew Michael wouldn’t rop everything and be worried about his brother so he had Susan call Michael knowing Michael wouldn’t go to Joseph’s.

    Here is the transcript from the prelim for the information above:

    17 Q When was the first call on February 8th?
    18 A 7:26 A.M.
    19 Q Is there any activity between 5:17 P.M. and 7:26 A.M.?
    20 A No activity.
    21 Q Turning your attention to — well, let me ask you this.
    22 How many times was there contact between the victim’s cell phone
    23 and the defendant’s cell phone on February 7th?
    24 A I show two originating calls from the defendant to the
    25 victim’s phone, both at approximately 3:47.
    26 Q So, two calls right about the same time?
    27 A Correct.
    28 Q Okay. Now, turning your attention to February 8th, what
    92
    1 did your analysis of the defendant’s records that day reveal?
    2 Well, let me ask you this, ’cause we are, we’re drawing
    3 near on lunchtime.
    4 Between 7:36 A.M. and 1:31 P.M., is there any activity on
    5 the defendant’s –
    6 A Between 7:36 and 1:31?
    7 Q Correct.
    8 A There is one, one incoming call that goes to voice mail,
    9 does not generate a cell tower, though. So, there’s no location
    10 information.
    11 Q Why would that be?
    12 A It could have been off, airplane mode, out of range.
    13 Q And the phone came back, was it fair to say on 1:31, what
    14 was the location of the defendant’s cell phone?
    15 MR. TERRELL: Your Honor, that misstates the evidence. I
    16 believe the agent says there’s three types, not just that it was
    17 off.
    18 THE COURT: Sustained.
    19 MR. TERRELL: Motion to strike. Thank you.
    20 Q (By Mr. Daugherty) With the call at 1:31, were you able
    21 to obtain location data from that?
    22 A Yes, sir.
    23 Q Where was the defendant’s cell phone at that time?
    24 A It was in the area of Corona in California.
    25 Q Anywhere in particular, were you able to devise?
    26 A It’s a cell tower near Auto Center Drive and the 91
    27 Freeway in Corona.
    28 Q And turning your attention to February 9th, 2010 –
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    1 Actually, I do want to back up.
    2 On February 8th, you said the 91 and Auto Center Drive in
    3 Corona?
    4 A Correct.
    5 Q Were you able to opine a direction of travel of the
    6 defendant after that 1:31 call?
    7 A Yes, sir. He hits the tower that I previously mentioned
    8 at 1:31, followed by a tower at 1:41 that’s further north up on
    9 the 15 Freeway.
    10 And then at 1:42 he hits a cell tower adjacent to the 15
    11 Freeway in Limonite — near the Limonite exit in Mira Loma,
    12 which would indicate a northbound travel, presumably on the 15.

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  133. Correction in the above is that Merritt’s cell phone was off from 5:17pm on the 7th until 1:31pm on the 8th, That is why the one call on the 8th went to voicemail because the phone was turned off. That is why there was no cell tower ping for that call and when he went from RC between 5:17pm the 7th until it was turned back on at 1:31pm on the 8th in Corona where Joseph’s Mother lives when Merritt stopped at her house.

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    • I wonder who made that one call?
      We may not know exactly where Merritt was when his phone was out of commission….but it sure looks like he had PLENTY of opportunity to commit the crimes he’s charged with.
      Leaving his phone on while he was in Victorville was a huge oversight. Maybe he thought LE wouldn’t be able to pinpoint his location? Or he felt certain that no one would think to look there, in Victorville, for the family, because the car was at the border, and so his being there on the 6th couldn’t be tied to their disappearance. It’s got something to do with Merritt’s personal concept of space and distance. Why he chose that location to bury the victims.
      All that changed the day they were found tho.

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    • Outstanding. I totally missed that his phone was off for that timeframe. I also considered that the trooper was dropped off at a much earlier time. I think he used stopping by Susan’s as some sort of alibi. If he did this, it means he knew her prior, and, knew where she lived. Creepy.

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      • I think the Trooper may have been dropped off as early as 10:00 a.m. on the 8th. I say that because his phone IIRC pings in RC at 7:36 and then the next time it pings in Corona at 1:30. So if he left RC at 7:36 after he turned off his phone and travelled to Fallbrook, picked up the Trooper and drove it to the border (if he didn’t stop for much else, although there is the computer activity in the home on the 8th, but we don’t know the time) he would have gotten there around 10. That’s plenty of time to get public transportation back to Fallbrook to then retrieve his truck from Fallbrook and drive back to RC. One of his final tasks completed.

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          • You are right Truecrime. The first phone call on the 8th was at 7:26am. Doesn’t say where it pinged though.

            So, last call on February 7th was 5:17 P.M.?
            16 A Correct.
            17 Q When was the first call on February 8th?
            18 A 7:26 A.M.
            19 Q Is there any activity between 5:17 P.M. and 7:26 A.M.?
            20 A No activity.

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          • But his phone is off for 20 hours the previous 2 days the 6th and 7th

            From Saturday, February 6th at 3:14 P.M., until Sunday at
            21 10:35 A.M., February 7th, is there any cell activity on the
            22 defendant’s cell phone, any tower activity, any activities?
            23 A You said February 6th, from 3:14 P.M.?
            24 Q Correct?
            25 A That’s his last call of the day on February 6th. His
            26 first call of the day on February 7th is at 10:35 A.M.
            27 Q So — and there’s no activity between that time period?
            28 A No.
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            1 Q Almost 20 hours?

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  134. I’m fascinated with the science/art of geographic profiling.

    “..the relationships between the activity space of the serial killer and the hunting pattern. A basic principle followed in this analysis is the “least-effort” principle (Zipf, 1950); all else being equal, a person who is “given various possibilities for action…will select the one requiring the least expenditure of effort” (Reber, 1985). This maxim describes a great deal about human spatial action, but it is important to take into account other factors that play a part in decisionmaking and the selection of behaviors. Income and socioeconomic status also influence spatial behavior, since this can affect transportation opportunities and restrictions. Also, the subjective psychological perception of distance by the offender is just as critical as the objective physical space involved. The most comprehensive spatial model of criminal target selection, which has been developed by Paul and Patricia Brantingham, focuses on the geographic intersection of offender awareness zones, generated from activity spaces, and perceived suitable targets. Their model suggests that most criminal offenders do not choose the sites of their targets or victims at random. ”
    https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=169314

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    • Of all the people connected to the McStays the chosen grave site was particular and unique to Merritt.
      Intuitively, I understand this.
      Perhaps at trial we will learn of the historical connection that Merritt has to this particular location. The 5-10 miles surrounding this site. I’m thinking past crimes committed or family living close by.

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        • Truecrime, I get spooked thinking about what happened to Summer’s purse phone and their wedding rings. Based on the prelim I think Merritt held on to Joey’s phone hoping he could get the password to unlock it, but I’m not sure.
          When I heard that Merritt’s phone was pinging in Santa Clarita on the morning of the 5th and i wonder if he may have dumped evidence out that way.

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  135. This is a multi-response post.

    Fran, crazy story. It is much fascinating as it is horrific. Remind me to send you a link on the Facebook killings.

    Jay, Patrick said Dan emailed/called him on the 4th? Is that a typo?

    Just Me, I’ll join you for the trial opener. I’ll take the week off just for it. It would be worth it to watch Merritt squirm.

    I’m sure there was more I wanted to comment on but can’t remember. New thread coming soon. But I want to leave you with a Chase quote that Fran posted that is a sort of related to the new post.

    “Get hold of him [Joseph]”

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  136. I think the prosecution may say that he buried Joey and Joey, Jr. before it started raining, and then Summer and Gianni during or after the rain. Could this be why the tire tracks are a bit wider as they lead to that last grave?

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    • Murphysings, that makes a lot of sense. It might also explain why on the 6th his phone was on , pinging away near the gravesite.
      Say he’s up there Saturday morning digging away with no bodies in his truck. Hes not too worried about his phone because hes just out digging around …He also lives in RC, the trooper will be at the border, pointing the investigation in the wrong direction, and Fallbrook is many miles away.
      He digs one hole and returns with the bodies later after dark but finds one hole isn’t big enough because of the extra bulk of JMs wrappings. So he has to drive over and dig another hole but by this time the ground is saturated and his wheels splay the dirt. Also the earth is heavier and it’s harder to shovel so the second grave is shallower. He may also have started to panic at the extra time it was taking.
      I wonder if LE measured the ground for dips at that specific site. Showing where the water would likely accumulate and make a puddle.
      I am so looking forward to the DA’s opening statement.

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      • I believe that he dug both holes at the same time due to the fact that the tracks line up perfectly to the holes. There would likely have been two sets of tracks to the first hole by your theory. That mud is slippery when wet so putting the tires exactly in the same marks is doubtful to me, at least. Also, the way they line up perfectly leads me to the theory that he dug the holes and buried them all at once for the same reasoning.
        What do you think?

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        • I think my theory is full of holes! Lol.
          Yes, I think you’re right about the tires making overlapping tracks if they were driven over more than once. So the truck backed up to each hole only once. Unless he pre dug the holes during dry weather when the wheels would leave a minimal track. Then returned to bury the bodies on in the sixth in the rain leaving tracks. But I’m thinking the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. He visited the site once to dig the graves and dump the bodies. At one of the graves he backs into and through a mud puddle.
          The question I’m really trying to answer is:
          Why did he leave his phone on while he was there? That he had his phone on says to me that he was feeling confident, that he didn’t need to worry about his presence at that location being found out.
          Maybe be had talked himself into believing the brilliance of his ruse of leaving the trooper at the border. As long as the bodies were never discovered no one would wonder why he was out in Victorville that day.

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          • I agree. He thought he had everything covered with his brilliant ruse. And had the family never been found it may have worked.
            Thinking they are smarter than law enforcement has caught numerous criminals.

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          • BINGO!

            He never thought they would be found and he could always say he was driving on I 15 and that is probably how his phone pinged off that tower. He had no idea that le would be able to put all the evidence together that they did.

            Right on the money!!!

            Maybe be had talked himself into believing the brilliance of his ruse of leaving the trooper at the border. As long as the bodies were never discovered no one would wonder why he was out in Victorville that day.

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  137. This is the most ridiculous one yet! Will these wacko’s ever get a brain? The Wacky Patrol on the Buzzed Out Blog.

    Now they have this bar in the area of the gravesite that these whacked out idiots know the killers hung out! WOW! What and astute statement, are you kidding me. So the killer hung out in this bar by a seedy hotel/motel and they know this to be fact and that they are definitely the killers of the McStay’s.

    These people aren’t playing with a full deck! Sounds like an author we all know from the past. Could he have returned under the name Jennifer? Wait the blog owners name is Jennifer! Is she working with the lying author?

    Great deductions by this Jennifer, the killers drive a hundred miles south and find the McStay home, kill for people including 2 little boys. Then the take the bodies back north and bury them by the bar they hangout in! I have never heard such and idiotic statement, theory, fictitious story in the entire six years of this case. I never thought someone would ever stoop so low but then I forgot about the author. Matter of fact this sounds like one he would come up with.

    Will they every stop with all the stupid theories and completely preposterous stories and not to mention the outright lying?

    Here’s the latest:

    Jennifer
    March 3, 2016
    5:24 pm
    Reply
    I have no idea. And I don’t know if he murdered the McStays . But those who did go to this bar could have been part of his circle, or part of Joeys circle.

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    • It wasn’t even a bar but a cafe. The worst part is they are connecting CM’s current girlfriend to the place because she is FB friends with two of the patrons.

      So are they implying that people who frequently “hung” out at this place kidnapped and killed the family and then later hooked up Mechele with Chase…..for reasons not yet known????

      Yeah, sounds totally plausible.

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    • Maybe that’s a radio tower and not the cell tower. Ugh. Lmao. Where’s the white bread?
      It’s also not the best video for the long distance view, the hiker is more interested in showing the rugged terrain he is navigating.
      CM must have been in very good shape to be trekking and working in that area.

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  138. Here’s a great documentary on lying. I posted it here last year, but it’s worth watching again. Experts examine media footage and police interviews of people later convicted of murder and kidnapping. They also discuss a few cases of truthful people who were convicted by the public because they appeared to be lying. Looking forward to Cornelius’ new article until then

    The Lying Game. Crimes that fooled Britain.

    Micro expressions, verbal tells, body language.

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  139. Am I the only one who’s outraged by the very public posting of CJ’s new home address? I can’t believe the balls of Daveij. What a lunatic stalker! I hope CJ is monitoring the blogs and reports it to the authorities. As far as we know she hasn’t done anything to indicate her involvement in the crimes and it seems completely unfair that she and her family be put in harm’s way because of some weird obsession that an asshole poster has. Sorry, rant over. 🙂

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    • Just Me

      That is an exact ploy of Baker! Remember that is exactly what he did to Patrick and others. So is this Daveij really Baker or one of his disciples, but it might be a dissatisfied Merritt family member who is not happy with CJ.

      Whomever it is, that person should be found and banned from the internet for placing people in harms way. I agree with you JM.

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  140. 
    Joe Nelson –

    2m2 minutes ago
    Joe Nelson ‏@SBcountyNow
    Next hearing in Merritt case scheduled for March 23. #McStay


    6m6 minutes ago
    Joe Nelson ‏@SBcountyNow
    Maline told Judge Smith they are in process of gathering all discovery from Merritt’s former attorney. #McStay


    6m6 minutes ago
    Joe Nelson ‏@SBcountyNow
    Judge Michael Smith said the court will not be inclined to allow Merritt to change counsel so easily in future. #McStay

    7m7 minutes ago
    Joe Nelson ‏@SBcountyNow
    Maline & McGee confirmed they will be defending Merritt. #McStay



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  141. I’d love to know where Merritt is getting funding for the new dream team. Are they working pro bono or are they part of the indigent program? Anybody know?

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  142. HYPOCRITE!!!!

    Jennifer
    March 4, 2016 11:37 am
    Dave,

    People do the best they can. What is someone supposed to do if they don’t have a lot of money. It’s clear this person loves her children very much. My parents didn’t have money either. These are public records–and if anyone wanted to find them, it wouldn’t be hard. But judging someone just because they don’t have money seems a little unfair.

    Jennifer
    March 4, 2016 11:51 am
    What I really take issue with is a bunch of bullies who come over from another blog, where almost nothing is spoken of if it’s not insult, and then claim some type of moral supperiority. And Fran you are one of the worst of them.

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  143. “You are solely responsible for the content of you blog. There is no reason for you to be attempting in any manner to invade my privacy.”

    Jennifer
    March 4, 2016 11:50 am

    Fran,

    You all expose people ALL the time. on your blog. Practice what you preach. And it’s public info. Not meaning to insult you Dave, but nothing he posted can’t be found with s 5 minute search.

    “PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH”

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  144. Invade her privacy? We haven’t exposed her real identity (not that I know that anyway) or published her email address. All I’ve seen anyone do here is expose the fact that she/he posts under various made up names.
    I think she blew a gasket reading the idiot sandwich comment.
    Bwwaaahaha

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  145. I think sometimes people forget that this is real life stuff with real victims and real feelings. I know I have to put myself on check sometimes and remember that the real victims might be reading these blogs and they deserve respect and privacy.

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  146. Here’s an example of Jennifer being hypocritical and changing the subject while not answering the question.
    She/he must have VERY thin skin if she/he feels intimidated by me addressing her by on of her other screen names.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~“`
    Fran
    Maeve,posting an address on line is more than stating an opinion.

    Jennifer
    March 4, 201611:49 am
    See, Fran, that is a form of intimidation. And I guess it’s the best you can do. Is to go around and attempt to intimidate people by “exposing” them and calling names. Why don’t you try coming forward with a compelling argument instead?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~““~~~
    pauleypackin
    March 2, 201611:31 am
    What’s your point ? Lol

    Jennifer
    March 2, 201611:34 am
    Dave,

    If you don’t change you email address when you change your name your avatar will give you away.

    I know you know what my point is.

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    • Also, if Jennifer feels intimidated by me calling her Maeve, then how does she think CJ might feel about having her home address posted on line? She was all for that. Or the people on fb that SHE trawled through their photos, which she posted, and friends list trying to connect them to the crime scene of a brutal quadruple homicide??
      Unbelievably hypocritical and manipulative of her to turn it back on me IMO.
      I’ve been banned from commenting there probably for the reality TV show animated clip that I posted here. Otherwise I would post these comments there.
      OK rant over.

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      • Fran-
        You have ALWAYS been very respectful and tactful with your posts. Clearly it’s Maeve/Jennifer/Richard who has the the issues and should follow your lead. I wish all posters, including myself, were as respectful as you. Fran, you have nothing to feel bad about. Nothing!

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  147. Jennifer thinks revealing CJ’s exact address on a blog is no big deal. She says this is public record and that anyone, including Dave, can access the address in seconds. No big deal. Right?

    Wrong.

    Yes, anyone can look it up. But, most people would not be so insensitive to post it on a crime blog. Where is the blog owner and why has she not weighed in on this?

    Yes, Jennifer/Richard/Maeve/anonymous and Miss Dave don’t mind outing people or throwing out hare-brained, ridiculous alternative theories of this crime. None of them think Merritt committed this crime despite all the evidence. I don’t think they ever will.

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  148. Hey,

    Mental Midgets—I already admitted that I was wrong about the CJ incident as well as some other things.

    You talk more about me then you do the case. Maybe instead of worrying about a nobody like me, you could actually get up to speed on this case. Just a thought. There was a quadruple murder, remember?

    Really and truly, how utterly boring your lives must be that anything I have to say even matters.

    Get a life. Oh and while you are at it. Get a clue.

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    • Maeve.

      No Maeve this isn’t about ” a nobody like me ” (your words about yourself and your right your a “NOTHING” and people are tired of your big mouth!!!

      You tell everyone to get up on the case but you can’t accept the facts of the case. You think you and all your stupid theories and wild ideas are acceptable and you know more than all the 100’s of LE that investigated this case and the millions of Americans and people around the world disagree with you.

      I don’t see you as the owner of that blog that does nothing but go against the actual facts and evidence in the case. There are just a few (seems less than 10) people there that want to fabricate and spin and claim the evidence is wrong. So with all that tell me were you all were educated in the judicial system and were you got your criminal justice education along with your investigative training. Please inform us of your credentials.

      You are correct you are a no nothing NOBODY who has a big mouth and really knows absolutely nothing but pure guessing!

      That blog should be called the MERRITT BLOG because it has been taken over by the Merritt family and a few loud mouths who just want to create havoc thinking it’s a game and for fun. The blog owner is no better when she allows all the wild theories and spin and slamming of McStay family members but won’t let McStay Family supporters to defend or speak in defense of the victims family. The blog owner blocks and deletes anything that but what is in defense of Merritt the accused murderer of “BABIES”. That blog is run just like Bakers old blog, never let the truth be told just let all the lies and crazy theories with the fun and game players run wild. Notice the owner is now allowing advertisements on her blog, why do you think that is? BECAUSE IT”S ALL ABOUT MONEY!!! She is out to make money of the blog and the more crazy and wild it is the better the hits and the more money from the advertising.

      That blog owner is no worse than the author who continues to make money from a book of lies that he told people he was removing from sales.

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    • Maybe instead of worrying about a nobody like me, you could actually get up to speed on this case.

      This sounds exactly like a RB quote. Verbatim.
      Your mask is slipping.

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  149. Via twitter:

    BY GAIL WESSON, STAFF WRITER
    Charles “Chase” Merritt, accused in the quadruple homicides of the McStay family in 2010, has a new legal defense team.
    San Bernardino County Superior Court Judge Michael Smith had given Merritt, 58, until a hearing Friday, March 4, to hire new lawyers, which he said he wanted to do, or agree to another representation option.
    In recent weeks, Merritt had represented himself after he terminated his legal team. The new team is attorneys Rajan Maline and James E. McGee II, both of Riverside. Another hearing on discovery, or exchange of documents, is scheduled March 23.
    Merritt pleaded not guilty to murder charges in 2014 in the deaths of his former business associate, Joseph McStay, McStay’s wife and their two children. Their skeletal remains were found in 2013 in the desert near Victorville. Merritt was arrested a year later. He was living in Homeland west of Hemet at the time, but previously lived in Apple Valley.
    http://m.pe.com/articles/bernardino-796203-merritt-san.html

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  150. Maeve, let’s be fair, you talk about yourself more than you do the case. Maybe if you didn’t visit here so often (you’re my #1 visitor), you wouldn’t have any idea of what is being discussed.

    The sole purpose of this blog is to cut through the BS, the stupid shit spread out across the internet. That includes yourself and your cronies.You want to be the groundswell movement for “Chase is Innocent”, in the likes of Avery, Syed and Mumia Abu Samal. You and others ignore very simple and relevant things called “Evidence” that will eventially lead to a conviction.

    Yes, you retracted your comments about CJ – or disavowed, to play on a current popular word – however it took you a full day and after multiple people here crying fowl. But it’s before that flap that you entertained the notion that these people who were patrons at a nearby restraunt, were somehow involved with the murders. The only evidence you had, which was very remotely curcumstantial, was that Mechele was friends with two of the people. You even claimd that she looked like one the women, when they look nothing alike. You had everyone on the crazy-wagon for the ride. They were all in. You posted the link of the page, along with names. You suggested these people, or other patrons, may be murderers simply based on heir proximity to the graves.

    I guess the entire community of Victoville should be suspect, using your brilliant deductive reasoning, and not Chase Merritt who has a shitload of evidence against him.

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  151. Joe Nelson write up of Fridays hearing:

    “Judge Michael A. Smith made it clear that Merritt’s indecisiveness will no longer be dealt with so leniently.

    “I’m sure the counsel’s aware that Mr. Merritt has been pro per, he’s had prior counsel, then back to pro per. So, the court is probably not going to be inclined to change counsel easily in the future,” Smith told Maline and McGee. “You’re both on notice that you’re kind-of on for the duration at this point.”

    Snip

    “Investigators believe greed motivated the slayings, describing Merritt during his preliminary hearing as a debt-ridden gambling addict who wrote multiple checks totaling more $21,000 on Joseph McStay’s online business account within a week of the family’s disappearance on Feb. 4, 2010. The checks were deleted from McStay’s computer once they were printed, according to court testimony.

    Merritt then allegedly went on a gambling spree, withdrawing thousands of dollars in cash from ATM machines at Indian casinos in Temecula and San Bernardino and the Commerce Casino near Los Angeles, according to prior court testimony.

    Maline said after Friday’s hearing the evidence doesn’t hold up, and the reason the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department didn’t arrest Merritt in the four years the case was in their jurisdiction was due to the lack of evidence supporting an arrest.

    Among the most glaring problems with the prosecution’s case is that it alleges Merritt killed the McStay family in their home, despite there being no physical evidence to suggest that.”

    Snip

    “Maline and McGee said they can discredit all the prosecution’s evidence, both physical and circumstantial, and present evidence of their own strengthening their arguments.

    “Forensically, this case doesn’t match the prosecution’s theory. It’s still a mystery,” Maline said. “From our standpoint, none of this fits. They
    are trying to put a square peg into a round hole.”

    http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20160304/mcstay-family-murder-suspect-charles-chase-merritt-gets-new-attorneys

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  152. It’s interesting to finally get a glimpse into the defense strategy. I understand the issue with the lack of physical evidence in the home to support the theory that they were killed in the home but how in the hell are they going to explain the other mountain of evidence? WHERE they were murdered, in my opinion, isn’t as important as the fact that they were murdered. I think the defense might have a bit of a gift with the lack of evidence in the home but there is no way they can explain away everything else. How do they get around the QB activity, DNA in the Trooper, forging of checks, cell phone activity, etc.? The defense is making it sound like they’re aren’t going to have an issue convincing a jury that Merritt is innocent but I definitely don’t see it that way. I think they still have many, many layers of evidence that they’re going to have to explain and get beyond. Idk, I think they’re sounding a little too cocky when they still have alot of work ahead of them.

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    • I think the sledgehammer is going to be key, among other things, in the prosecution’s strong circumstantial case, for more than one reason: I think they will show that the sledgehammer was owned by Joey, was in the home the week leading up to their death and I’m guessing it was in the kitchen area near the paint cans, and that the prosecution will likely prove it was used to kill the McStays, possibly by imprints or something like that left on bones. This is all speculation by me though.

      Then all the other items from the home being in the graves. You don’t abduct a family, take paint tape, shop towels, etc., with you, that would make no sense. Obviously it was part of the clean up from inside the home. The home was staged.

      Then you have all the other damning evidence against Merritt and if you see the timeline it fits absolutely perfectly that he did all of this. I think alone.

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      • TC,
        You’re right and Merritt had plenty of time to clean the house and dispose of evidence. I’m so anxious for the trial to start but like you said the defense is giving the state more time to find more nails for Merritt’s coffin.

        I’d love to hear Patrick’s thoughts about what the defense is saying. Patrick, are you out there? Lol

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  153. Truecrime and Just Me, I agree!
    At the end of the prelim Mettias went so far as to say there was no DNA evidence that linked Merritt to the murders. Mr. Daugherty said he was “flabbergasted”…. Theres also the evidence of the check being created on the McStay computer on the evening of the 4th. If they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that all the other checks were created by Merritt then the jury has to accept that this check was also created by Merritt and that Merritt was in the home.
    In the end I think it will be Merritt’s own words that will convict him. He’s told so many lies and changed his story many times.

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    • It mystifies me as to what all the people on that other blog think about the mount of evidence the prosecution presented at the preliminary hearing. Do they all think that is all the evidence the DA has. Are they that foolish to think the DA would present the best evidence or all of the evidence at a preliminary hearing.

      They listen to Malline and McGee and think that is all there is to it, their saying they can create doubt and things such as this:

      “Forensically, this case doesn’t match the prosecution’s theory. It’s still a mystery,” Maline said. “From our standpoint, none of this fits. They
      are trying to put a square peg into a round hole.”

      The DA doesn’t have to match everything forensically they only have to show the jury and let the jury decide. So that statement is lacking in any real substance, it’s just defensive rhetoric that you would expect from a defense lawyer. What would they expect the defense to say, oh and by the way all the forensics fit. How dumb would that be.

      Notice Maline’s wording “From our standpoint, none of this fits. They are trying to put a square peg into a round hole.” The point is what he thinks doesn’t matter, it’s the jury and what they think that matters!

      I like the comment he made about creating doubt. That’s all they have and he knows it. He certainly can’t say anything that is damaging to the evidence and his client that would be the dumbest thing he could do. So all these Merritt defenders think that’s all there is to it, the defense lawyer saying those things and that means all the real evidence and circumstantial evidence don’t matter and don’t mean a thing.

      I have believe that when the trial starts and all the real facts, evidence and circumstantial evidence is presented and the proven timeline along with the whereabouts and actions of Merritt are presented, people will be shocked and doubt will disappear!

      Now I do know that since so many on the other blog are Merritt family, doubters and some who just like treating this case as a game. They think they can fool people into not believing the facts and just the evidence known so far by repeating the same old stories and then throw in some wild stories and accusation against the McStay Family, they think that’s all they need to create doubt in the jury’s minds.

      I HAVE NEWS FOR THEM, JURY’S ARE SMARTER THAN THEY GIVE CREDIT!

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  154. Jay, well said and I agree.

    This quote from the above article caught my attention:

    “Maline said after Friday’s hearing the evidence doesn’t hold up, and the reason the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department didn’t arrest Merritt in the four years the case was in their jurisdiction was due to the lack of evidence supporting an arrest.”

    He’s insinuating that LE had no evidence or that they searched for 4 years without finding evidence. In reality there wasn’t much to go on until the graves were unearthed. This is not dissimilar to many other missing persons cases, where the victims are presumed dead but until the bodies are found there’s not much LE can do.
    There was one case up in Edmonton where an elderly couple and their grandson disappeared. In the home there were obvious signs of a violent struggle and blood. They searched for a long time without finding the victims and eventually arrested the man they believed is responsible. I’m not sure, but I believe the man is still in custody awaiting trial.
    But this is the rare exception, an arrest and perp charged with murder sans victims bodies. IMO

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  155. I think it’s pretty clear that some of the people on that “other blog” are Merritt’s friends/family, and that those same people were posting on older blogs related to this one, such as the stoprickbaker blog. I also believe they were regulars over at the infamous RB blog.

    These people are either ignoring the evidence that strongly points to Merritt’s guilt, or they knew about the murders when they happened and somehow in some sick way think Merritt was justified in what he did. OR, maybe they were even involved with things such as the post-murder staging and burial.

    “Birds of a feather…” perhaps?

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  156. “Square peg in a round hole”. I seem to remember another blogger making that assertion before the prelim. I think once the trial is underway and we have ALL the evidence, it will fit quite nicely. We may never know how this went down. They don’t have to convince the jury how he did it, just that he did it.

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  157. Well, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that Maline is starting to defend his client in the media.

    But, lest anyone (especially those who have a soft place in their hearts for a baby killer) put much faith in the claims of defense attorneys:

    Geragos claimed the DA had no evidence and he called his client “stone cold innocent.”

    The triers of fact didn’t agree.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/11/court.archive.peterson3/index.html?iref=allsearch

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    • Garagos was a good defense attorney. He was no F. Lee Bailey, but a good attorney. But I am not saying I agree with the people he has defended. And he’s pretty much an ambulance-chasing-lawyer.

      I had to laugh when I saw the quote about not being charged for four years. There was no bodies. Most murders are not followed through to an arrest until a body has been discovered. It’s proof of death. From there, the manner in which they died.

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  158. I don’t understand why Merritt would risk stealing that money on the 2nd, knowing that if Joey found out, he would likely be fuming to people , thus making him look like a suspect… Do you understand what I’m saying? If he was planning on murdering Joey, why would he make such a ballsy move 2 days prior? I wonder if he hacked into quick books and changed the email address so that way Joesph wouldn’t get the alerts/notifications that money was missing. this is one thing I don’t understand…. Could you imagine if Joey found out on the 2nd and called his dad, shows up missing days later and his dad is like…well Joey literally just called me saying Merritt stole thousands from him and that he was pissed. Also, it makes me wonder….what if they had checked out Merritt’s cell activity in the week after and saw the pings in VV….and were able to find the freshly disturbed ground, either on google maps or from the pings and simply driving around…. Merritt really did know what he was doing with moving the vehicle, staging the home, he was confident they wouldn’t even think about VV. how did they miss the thousands upon thousands being stolen? I can see why some people are skeptical about this case, but I also have a really good feeling that these missing links will be settled in the courtroom, soon enough. Plain and simple, unless there was some secret investigated and zipped lips on the case, these investigators sucked!

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    • He would risk it because he was an addict. Maybe he thought in his mind he could explain it away if Joseph found out. He also deleted all the checks he printed to hide a paper trail. Joseph, if he went in the quickbooks, should have never really noticed the deleted checks. But on the 4th Joseph (I’m speculating) saw something, a check cashed for a very large amount that he wasn’t aware of. Joseph calls his bank immediately. His very next call was to Chase Merritt and Joseph is on his way to confront the matter.

      I think that is how it may have happened. I think the prosecution is leaning towards such a scenario based on their questioning. All of it, and the timing, is very curious.

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      • Bingo, Cornelius! The prosecution may be able to show that CM was becoming increasingly desperate as his gambling addiction spiralled out of control. He was conning Joey out of money all along but had stopped short of putting his greedy fingers in the till. Once he did, he couldn’t stop. There could be other incidents of theft that we haven’t yet heard about.

        Troll, Individuals with addictions will steal from their families, friends, and strangers to get the money to fuel their addiction. Some will kill.

        I agree with you, Cornelius, in explaining a potential motive for this horrific crime, I think it is likely Joey found the theft in Quickbooks. Considering all the loans he had given CM and all the cash backs that were occurring, I think he went to RC to confront and sever ties with CM, and CM panicked when he realized he was going to lose his cash cow. What made CM suddenly turn his phone off and head to the McStay home? I think Joey, in that last call, told CM if he didn’t stay away, he would file a police report. CM realized he would be going to prison, not just state jail, this time. All of this is speculation but it is consistent with what we know about CM and some of the evidence.

        Re: the home as the crime scene – all the evidence in the graves points to the home. CM had more than enough time to clean and paint in those days before the family was reported missing.

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        • I agree, Murphysings, with both you and Cornelius! From your post above:

          “The prosecution may be able to show that CM was becoming increasingly desperate as his gambling addiction spiralled out of control.”

          I’m very curious to know if Cathy Jarvis will testify at trial. Is she cooperating with the State? She could be a valuable witness to Merritt’s behaviors, especially his gambling. Cathy ended her long time relationship with Merritt not long after the McStays’ remains were found in Victorville. That has always stood out to me. The timing. She had already been through a lot of bs with Merritt and his criminal/legal problems, so why did she bail on him this time? What does she know?

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    • Money/gambling addiction

      Phone turned off multiple times for HOURS that is not typical for Merritt

      Phone pings 5 times at the burial site

      Chase can not remember any details of what happened after the lunch meeting

      Chase’s wheel base if his truck match those at the site

      Chase brags to many that he knows the area and terrain very well

      Chase’s DNA is all over the vehicle, pointing to him being the last to use it

      Chase Merritt created over 60 checks to himself over the span of about 10 days

      Chase poses as Joseph McStay to cancel the QB account that he was writing checks to himself from

      Chase Merritt has screwed over numerous people over the years and there is a proven record. People sued. The only difference with Joseph McStay, he gave Merritt numerous breaks.

      Joseph and his family paid for Merritt’s mistakes and selfish ambitions with their blood, their very lives.

      To those of who want to defend this piece of shit…..I have no grace for you, only contempt.

      Chase Merritt is a monster and a baby killer.

      Justice is coming.

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        • The bullit points are great and on spot. To the naysayers who think others are involved I’d like to see those bullit points. Oh that’s right, there aren’t any other suspects that we’re aware of. So far all the evidence is pointing to Merritt and only Merritt. How in the world would he get an accomplice on board with him to kill babies? Plus, for him it was all about the money and addicts aren’t very good at sharing. They are very selfish people who will stop at nothing to get their fix and you can be damn sure Merritt wasn’t sharing any of the money he stole from Joseph.

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  159. Fran, I think we may learn at trial that SDCSD’s prime person of interest was Merritt. I think they thought he was involved, but they were not sure how he was involved. They couldn’t prove he killed the McStays because they had no bodies. I will be very interested in their testimony.

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    • I agree, Murphysings. The statements he made in his initial interview on the 17th, his fresh wound, the fact he waited so ling to report them missing to family, his suspicious behaviour while in the house with Mike. His criminal past, which he actually used as an excuse to not touch anything in the house. How weird is that, at that point they were just missing.
      One thing that’s always bothered me and that I think Merritt was involved in, at least partially, is that 6 week string of burglaries and tool thefts that occured in the Fallbrook area shortly before the McStays disappeared. Like a harbinger of the murders that followed.
      I also think that internet search was a part of the staging somehow.

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      • I thought the Mexico search was maybe planted as well, it fit with a theory I’ve been trying to work out. But I just don’t think that now as I believe Chase made the decision to kill Joseph on Feb 4 with that last phone call and not anytime before then.

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        • Looking forward to reading about your theory.

          I think at the end of January he asked for an advance añd was turned down. So he just took the money on the 2nd. I think when he cut that first check his mind was on murder.

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        • Merritt may have been so upset with the end result of the confrontation with Joey at lunch that he lost his ability to censor himself. His true thoughts and feelings about Summer may have leaked out. He may have called he a string of bad names and been very threatening in tone.
          That last call may have been Joseph saying FU Chase. See you in court for the $ you owe me.

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          • Fran,
            I have often thought Merritt was more concerned about losing his freedom versus a pesky lawsuit. Clearly he’s never been concerned with owing people money and you can’t get blood out of a turnip. With a lawsuit, at best, Joey would get a judgment that would never get paid but Merritt losing his freedom would be enough to push him over the edge.

            I’m also not convinced the murders were premeditated, so to speak. I think he went to confront Joey with sad puppy dog eyes thinking that once again Joey would be the nice guy and turn the other cheek. I almost wonder if it wasn’t Summer who fueled his fire when he got to their house. Ugh, so much mystery still. Makes me crazy.

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              • I think any violation of the terms of his probation would put his freedom at risk. If I remember correctly he was on probation for theft so another theft-related charge and conviction could have serious consequences. Because he was on probation for 10 damn years he might have already been on thin ice with his probation officer, Joey may have known this and just the threat of calling LE or the P.O. might have seriously scared Merritt… or seriously pissed him off.

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          • That is such a strong possibility, Fran.

            Another tidbit that came out of Merritt’s own mouth is how Summer would constantly call Joey when he and Joey were together. So, when I saw the phone records from that last lunch meeting, I immediately noticed that there were no calls from Summer. The lack of calls could mean that Joey turned his phone off, or it could mean Summer knew what Joey was going to discuss with CM and didn’t want to interrupt their talk. I guess we will never know.

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    • Murphy,
      I want to hear SDSO explanation regarding the money stolen by Merritt. Maybe nobody knew Joseph’s accounts enough to know what was normal business and what wasn’t. I remember the one investigator making a comment that he knew Joey’s books inside out, or words to that effect. If that’s the case why didn’t he see the thefts? I think SDSO has some explaining to do but in the end I don’t think it will change the outcome of the case.

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      • Isn’t it true that San Diego didn’t run the tests for the Trooper until 2014? They didn’t obtain search warrants for bank accounts, etc., etc., back in 2010 so didn’t know about the thefts? Nor warrants for Merritt’s cell records or movements back in 2010. Likely had they they would have found all of this, but without the bodies. No bodies, no case, unless they found a large amount of blood in the home…

        Just interesting to think, had San Diego been able to deem the case back in 2010 as homicide and had they gotten warrants, had they tested the Trooper, and really investigated the neighbor’s surveillance, I wonder if they would have been able to try the case without the bodies.

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          • I thought that one investigator reviewed the accounts though. I could be wrong but it seems like SDSO missed some important clues. Maybe their hands were tied because it was considered a missing person case versus homicide. I’m interested in hearing their explanations even though I don’t think they’ll change the final outcome of the case.

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        • I think once LE found the internet search for travel requirements to Mexico the investigation shifted from a possible homicide case to the family willfully disappearing.
          I hope we find out more about who performed the search.

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      • No that was Det Dugal and he didn’t say he knew Joseph’s books inside and out. He said he knew their finances (from the bank statements and documents) he didn’t say he knew the books. If I recall Patrick tried to get them to look into the qb because he found the alerts of the attempted accessing of Joseph’s qb account. I think Dugal responded to Patrick saying he didn’t have the time and he was only one man or something to that affect.

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  160. I think the evidence presented at the prelim was just the tip of the iceberg and they only presented what was necessary to hold Merritt. In the time since the prelim the state has been digging up more evidence, witnesses and tightening up their case.

    I think the defense is premature in their confidence. Have they even had time to look at everything? Do they even have everything in their possession? I think there is still so much more we haven’t heard about that’s going to put everything in to perspective and put Merritt away for life. Or death.

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    • Very early on in the investigation when Michael was doing radio and TV interviews he mentioned that LE had found evidence in the house but he wasn’t able to talk about it.

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    • Everyone needs to remember that Merritt had al the discovery documents from the beginning when he was pro se. Then he hired Ponce. Then Mettias and the others came on board and everything was supposedly turned over to them. Now we have the discovery being turned over to Maline and McGee.

      So my question is this, do they have all the discovery documents? Did Merritt when he got the discovery documents from the prosecution destroy any of what the prosecution turned over because they were damaging to him. Could he have gotten rid of select information and documents in order to hide information and then not have the documents so now his new attorneys don’t have certain information. Later they could claim the prosecution didn’t turn documents over to them when it really was Merritt who got rid of documents.He could also say later in the trial that documents weren’t turned over. But he may not realize that the prosecution, I’m sure has documentation of what they turned over to him and Metttias later.

      My question is this, does Maline and McGee have all the discovery or is Merritt going to claim he never got certain documents or information when it all comes out in trial. If I were Maline I wouldn’t trust Merritt!

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      • No, Jay, remember in the world according to Baker there was that big conspiracy to take Merritt to the doctor so the state could steal documents from the file? ROFL

        I’m sure the state has it well documented as to what exactly has been provided and to whom, especially since Merritt was pro per. I can’t say for a fact but in this day and age there’s probably much less paper discovery exchanging hands and much more digital. Even if they claim discovery wasn’t turned over, in the long run I don’t think it would hold much water and make the defense look desperate.

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      • Im sure the discovery handed over between the prosecutors office and the defense are copies. And the handing over process would be subject to the same rigours as the chain of custody for the evidence. Each step would be documented and signed off.
        If that makes sense.

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        • Fran,
          That makes complete sense. I don’t think his attorney’s would be naïve enough to think that by saying discovery is missing or was never handed over to them would help their cause. One of the new attorneys is a former district attorney and the other has been around the block. They are well aware of how the process works and if Merritt is stupid enough to remove discovery in an attempt to fool his own attorneys then that’s going to backfire in the end and he’s an even bigger fool than I thought.

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        • Well think about this, Merritt wasn’t to smart thinking he could print checks then go back and delete them now was he! Anyone with half a brain would know that there would still be a record on the hard drive memory log!

          It’s the pesky little annoying things like that the criminals always forget, don’t think about or are unaware of!

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    • I know it’s just a press statement but I’m curious why Maline chose to mention the Mexico border video in his statements to the media last week (see below). What is he implying? That SDSD made some grievous mistakes in their investigation and public pressure influenced SBSD in their arrest of Merritt, or, that the video really is the McStays crossing the border into Mexico because …why? Since I assume the defense strategy is by Merritt’s design, where is he going with this? TIA

      http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20160304/mcstay-family-murder-suspect-charles-chase-merritt-gets-new-attorneys

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      “Other conflicting evidence includes the McStay’s Izusu Trooper being found at the Mexican border in San Ysidro and a video at the border that recorded footage of a man, woman and two’ small boys walking across the border into Mexico who matched the McStay family’s description, Maline said.”

      “San Diego County investigators believed the people seen in the video crossing the border, given their physical descriptions and clothing, were in fact the McStays, which is why the investigation shifted from a homicide case to a missing persons case, Maline said.”

      “San Bernardino County sheriff’s investigators, however, ruled out the possibility the people in the video were the McStays, Maline said. He said he believes investigators were under great pressure to close the high profile case by any means necessary.”

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      • Red,
        I think this is the beginning of their desperate attempt at creating reasonable doubt. So far not much has been said publicly by any of the defense so now that they are speaking out I think they are going to try and sway the court of public opinion. Next we’ll be hearing what a swell and wonderful family man Merritt is and how he’d never hurt a fly. Smoke and mirrors…

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      • I think Maline is going to say if it was “in fact” the family crossing the border on that date they couldn’t have been murdered in the time frame the DA is suggesting. Then, Maline may call a few of the people who claimed to have seen the family in Mexico and use the computer search about passport requirements for children entering Mexico to shore up his argument.

        I think the prosecution will call family members who will claim these individuals didn’t look like the family. Then, using the defendant’s own recorded words they will point out that even the defendant didn’t think it was the family.

        Even if SBCSD was under “great pressure” to solve the crime, they sure didn’t rush to judgment. Seeing all the phone records that were subpoenaed, it looks like they diligently ruled out others who may have been persons of interest.

        In addition, if LE video or audiotaped CM each time he was questioned, the jurors will be able to hear how he kept changing his stories over time.

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        • Thanks for your response, Murphysings! I think you’re on to something with the defense using the video to confuse the murder date.

          Oh lord! Is this where Baker is going to be involved in the McStay case again? His initial blog/book was all about searching for the McStays south of the border, including chasing down reported sightings of the McStays, right? Is Baker their consult on this or would the defense dare put him on the stand?

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          • Is the actual time or place of the murders of that much importance? I thought so long as they prove they were murdered, which is obvious now, that that is what’s important.

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            • I think the time of the murders is important to the prosecution’s theory as the circumstantial evidence seems to point to the 4th. The State DA doesn’t have to prove where he did it, and I find myself wondering if they will be so wedded to the home being the crime scene when this case goes to trial. I really wish Ramos had never publicly spoken about this case. But, who knows? Maybe they have more evidence that points to the home.

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        • They will also hear about his very selective memory. How can he not remember every detail of the last time he saw his “best friend” ? I think his early interviews aren’t going to do him any favors.

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  161. Rick Baker “I don’t think they ever crossed the border. I don’t think law enforcement thinks they crossed the border”
    I’m trying to find the other clip where Baker says he thinks the border crossing was staged.
    His remarks about Summer are so inflammatory.

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      • In light of what we now know I hope Baker feels like a real ass for putting any of the blame on Summer. Unfortunately I don’t think the man has a conscious so it’s wishful thinking.

        I can’t imagine the defense would put him on the stand for any reason. It would be an asinine move because the State would eat him alive. He’s not the least bit credible and it’s apparent that his intentions have always been very selfish. With that being said, I would pay money to watch the DA question him on the stand. I don’t think there’s enough double talk in the world that would or could make him look good.

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        • Halleluiah “Just Me” I agree with you! This guy hasn’t got a heart or brain and he definitely has no conscience. He’s also got a wife that certainly doesn’t either in that she concurred with him on much of what he said and she definitely allowed him to continue even knowing he was lying and falsifying papers and stories!

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  162. Ahh, I get it. That makes more sense…. i am not privy to LAW at all, but I am dying to know how they cleared McFadden. I really thought he did it. I mean, what are the chances of timing like that? Threatening to shut someone up and then the whole family shows up dead… Plus, he seems like an unstable character and let’s face it, if someone was threatening to ruin my life with allegations, who wouldn’t at least think about how they can make this stop? Did Chase and McFadden know each other? Were the threats even real or were they made up? Is there, concrete proof of Mcfaddens wears outs or is it sketchy? Surely the prosecution will target this, no?

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    • Although I’m sure he was a person of interest at one time, I never believed McF killed this family. I just couldn’t see him killing Jonah’s little brothers.

      What do you mean “the prosecution will target this?”

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  163. I think Fran you said you were looking for that link for D.A. Ramos. Just wanted to let you know that we have a FB page which has a lot of informational links, etc., etc. It’s by invitation only though because there was a lot of bad stuff going on when Rick Baker was around. But if you mail me I could try to add. It’s basically a page that just talks about the evidence.

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  164. *****Graphic*****

    Since the prelim I’ve been wondering if Joey was strangled, not to death but possibly to the point of being incapacitated. We’ve been told that his cause of death was blunt force trauma and I know that death via strangulation can be ruled in or if by verifying if the hyoid bone is in tact, however, I haven’t been able to determine why the cord was around Joey’s neck. I’m trying not to get too graphic so I apologize in advance if I’m being offensive.

    I tried to copy and paste the section of the prelim where it’s discussed, however, my tablet chose not to cooperate.

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    • The cord around JM neck is perplexing. If it was used to strangle him, why was the socket cut off? Corn has wondered if J was tortured with it, electrocuted before death. Someone else thought the cord was used to “finish him off” to stop the horrible gurgling sounds that happen in the final moments of a violent death. I’ve also read theories that the cord may have been used to hog tie J and that he was untied in order to be wrapped.
      Were both the male and female ends of the cord found in or near the graves? Or just the female end?

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      • I wonder if it was tied around Joseph contain him because he was trying to fight off Merritt because I think Joseph must have fought based on the the broken leg and ribs? It is very perplexing though why he cut off the ends, maybe easier to tie? But Corn’s idea of torture by electrocution is something I never thought of.

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      • Fran,
        I believe it was only the female end of the cord that was cut off. I can’t make rhyme or reason for that. It is so strange.

        If the cord was used to finish him off wouldn’t that change the cause of death to strangulation? I used to think the cord was used to help drag and transport the body but after reading the prelim again I have my doubts.

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        • I think your theory that Summer and G were buried second and at a later time (hours or a day) is close. Summer’s grave was used as a dump for the evidence from the house. Evidence that was cleaned up during painting. It’s really sad and horrific.

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  165. TrueCrime, thanks for providing a link to Ramos’s radio interview. He said they found evidence in the graves linking CM to the crime. This sounds very specific to me. I am wondering if he may have withheld some evidence from the public or is he referring to the red tiebacks from CM’s truck? Wasn’t a beer can or beer bottle found in one of the graves?

    I know we won’t know the answer until we get to trial. I was just struck by Ramos’s comment and his confident tone.

    JustMe, I think he did strangle Joey with the cord. Unless CM talks, I’m not sure we will ever know when in the assault that the strangulation occurred.

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    • I’d bet on it there’s some things they held back from the prelim. Interesting listening to him now knowing what we do know, yet there’s still a lot we probably don’t. They could have linked the red tie-downs to those used by Merritt. They also said in the CCN interview IIRC that the “main weapon” was the sledgehammer, so I wonder if they found another type of weapon we don’t know about.

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      • *Ramos said (not they) in the CNN interview.

        RAMOS: We know that the main weapon was enough to cause a blunt force trauma to the victims.

        KAYE: In one strike?

        RAMOS: Yes. It could be several, but yes one strike with the object could have done this especially to the children.

        KAYE: Can you say anything about, you know, is this an object that would have been found in the home? Is that why they believed they were killed in the home? Is this is an object that would have come from somewhere else?

        RAMOS: It’s an object that could have come from the home or somewhere else. It’s an object that we would be familiar with.

        KAYE: It’s a common object.

        RAMOS: There you go, it’s a common object.

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    • Murphy,
      Unfortunately I think that there will be many unanswered questions in this case, even after the trial. It’s my hope that the family gets the answers they need in order to get some sort of closure and peace. Nothing is going to bring the family back but the family deserves answers.

      I wonder if the family would accept a plea deal for the death penalty to be taken off the table in exchange for full disclosure? Certainly I’m not in their shoes but I think it’s something I might consider accepting especially if you take into account that Merritt will likely die in prison long before he’s executed.

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    • A beer can or bottle was found in the vacinity, not in a grave. It could have been left there prior. But it’s an interesting tidbit, in that people speculate that a motorcyclist did not just happen upon the grave site and that there is some conspiracy. There are signs of plenty of offroading activity north of the site.

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    • Murphy,
      I always had the impression that that was somewhat standard language in the search warrant and that they were covering all their bases. It’s my understanding that if something isn’t specified in the warrant then LE can’t sieze it during a search.

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  166. I just don’t get it.
    Let’s assume all you said is correct.
    My problem as a juror would be this: Why would a guy who killed 4 people, cleaned up and painted satisfactorily to avoid detection, successfully removed and buried 4 corpses, and apparently was not seen return to steal the Trooper.
    The Trooper theft is a key part of this case . . . the person who took the Trooper and drove it to the Mexican border did so for the following reason . . . to concoct a false scenario of the family taking off for Mexico? It just doesn’t make sense. All that risk (you already got away with murder) . . . and now you could be seen A) taking the vehicle at the home B) driving to the border C) dropping it at the strip mall D) returning home either by bus or thumb.
    I would also have a problem sending a man to the gas chamber because his phone pinged near where the bodies were found! I am sure thousands of other peoples’ phones pinged in that area at the same time . . . were all those people eliminated as suspects!
    Jerry Lamonica

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    • Jerry, you have a valid point. For starters, he would steal the Trooper to further through off anyone looking for them. Chase took many risks starting on the 4th as well. Murder of 4 people, buried them (possibly at different times), stealing tens of thousands of dollars from the McStay’s bank account. Taking the Trooper was the least risky of these. Consider that Chase was a regular at the house starting with move in day. He would not be someone who stuck out to anyone in the neighborhood necessarily. Also he could have parked his truck on another street and simply walked up and got in the Trooper. Could have been after dark or before sunrise.

      On the pings, of course thousands of users probably pinged that tower that day on the 6th. But LE has found no one that has all the attributes Chase has connected to the case. Chase also said he wasn’t in the area for a long time, so did someone else have his phone without his knowledge?

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      • Ok so Chase is smart enough to take the Trooper unnoticed to fabricate a scenario that the family took off for Mexico. Did he also hire actors to walk across the border looking like the McStays?
        Is he the one that did the computer search about children traveling to Mexico?
        When he goes to the house with Mikey why does he wait in the foyer as Mike will have to testify to? This would have been the perfect time to leave his fingerprints all over the house.
        If I were he I would have also used the bathroom and at least one sink to leave dna. He had Mike as his alibi.
        Also, isn’t the jury gonna want to know why it took 8 years to get this guy in court?
        I actually believe Chase is guilty but from a legal standpoint I don’t see a conviction here.
        There is really no smoking gun.
        Unless we still haven’t heard all the evidence.

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        • There is a smoking gun actually.

          Of course we haven’t heard all the evidence, they never do that for a prelim. It’s to present evidence for the judge to determine if there is enough for the accused to stand trial.

          Yes Chase is smart enough. IMO he left the Trooper where he did to make it look like someone other than the family left it there and fled to Mexico, like a lot of fugitives do.

          If they did find his prints in the house, he was there all the time doing work. That could easily be explained away.

          Jurors are forbidden to speculate how long a person has been brought to trial, they are supposed to evaluate the evidence.

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          • you said Merritt left the trooper at the mall close to the border so people would think they fled to Mexico, but in all his interviews he says they would never go to mexico and he didn’t think it looked like the mcstays in the video, but say if he was the real killer wouldn’t they say oh yeah, that looks like them alright or say yeah Joseph might have gone to Mexico or something of that nature.

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              • so then it makes no sense for him to not have said yeah it looks like them, he (if he really did it) had to know there would be cameras in san ysirdo village mall, that would be dumb as hell to to park it where there is a high chance he would be seen on camera.

                If he did it, burning the vehicle would be a better option, not driving it to the mall area and leaving his dna there. 

                Where even was the trooper between the night or even morning they disappeared until it drove into that parking lot? 

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        • Keep in mind that the San Ysidro border crossing is one of the busiest in the world. While researching this case I actually came across a YouTube video of the pedestrian bridge/crossing and on it was a woman wearing a coat very similar to one that Summer had and she had long dark hair. My point is that no actors were needed. Pure coincidence.

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